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12:00:46 <kaz> meeting: WoT Marketing
12:03:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Ege_Korkan, Daniel_Peintner
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12:04:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/14-wot-marketing-minutes.html kaz
12:05:43 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
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12:07:46 <McCool> topic: minutes review - Nov 30
12:08:09 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/30-wot-marketing-minutes.html Nov-30
12:08:16 <kaz> scribenic: McCool
12:08:27 <kaz> s/scribenic/scribenick/
12:09:23 <McCool> ege: last meeting, PR on contacts, article in embedded.com by Phillip Blum, Wiki redesign, wikipedia, community comm/chats
12:10:10 <McCool> ... any objections to publishing?
12:10:18 <McCool> ... none, will be made public
12:10:30 <McCool> topic: embedded.com article
12:10:38 <McCool> ... issue #235
12:11:44 <McCool> ege: I have provided feedback, but not published yet... see issue for link to review
12:12:12 <McCool> mm: ok for this to be a public link?
12:12:15 <kaz> s/... issue/ege: issue/
12:12:22 <McCool> ege: yes, ok, author's version allowed
12:12:42 <kaz> i|issue #235|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/235 Issue 235 - Feedback for embedded.com article|
12:12:56 <McCool> ege: pls provide feedback, but will want to close next week
12:13:06 <McCool> ... no real deadline, but would like to close in a week
12:13:16 <McCool> topic: easy issues
12:13:28 <McCool> ege: have identified some issues I think we can close quickly
12:13:50 <McCool> ... first, there is an IoT wiki page listing standards and organizations
12:14:44 <dape> q+
12:14:49 <McCool> ... for TD have pointed to wiki, for Discovery etc. point to TRs (which point to WD for now)
12:15:22 <McCool> ... have posted this to the IoT summary index page, edit was accepted
12:15:24 <kaz> i/first,/subtopic: Issue 94/
12:15:28 <Ege> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_things#Standards_and_standards_organizations
12:15:35 <kaz> s/... first/ege: first/
12:16:25 <kaz> i|first, |-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/94 Issue 94 - Missing W3C in IoT Wikipedia page|
12:17:01 <McCool> dp: should we have a page for Discovery, etc?
12:17:23 <McCool> mm: want to wait until after CR, also maybe we should have a master WoT page first; the current one needs work
12:18:08 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 228
12:18:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/228 Issue 228 - Deleting Table of Contents looking section from Wiki pages
12:18:27 <McCool> ege: done, think we can close
12:18:39 <McCool> mm: I did do some tweaks, to security and discovery
12:18:52 <McCool> ege: that is a new issue for that, see #231
12:19:08 <McCool> ege: closing #228
12:19:20 <McCool> subtopic: issue 203
12:19:44 <McCool> ege: contact page, all subtasks done, propose closing
12:19:51 <McCool> ... some other issues created for new tasks
12:20:00 <McCool> ege: closing #203
12:20:10 <McCool> ... continue with #234
12:20:29 <McCool> topic: discussion
12:20:37 <McCool> subtopic: issue #236
12:20:38 <kaz> i|contact page|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/203 Issue 203 - [website] Possible restructuring of website|
12:20:45 <McCool> mm: propose openday
12:21:34 <kaz> i|propose|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/236 Issue 236 - Have Regular CG Meetings - OpenDay|
12:21:47 <kaz> q+
12:21:50 <McCool> mm: in general, CG events should be CG events
12:22:05 <kaz> ack d
12:22:17 <dape> q+
12:23:29 <McCool> ... if we are going to have an openday, we should figure out how to use it
12:23:30 <kaz> ack k
12:24:21 <McCool> ... and also, using the CG page for something useful rather than just being a dead page
12:24:48 <kaz> kaz: if you mean the "WoT CG" by "CG" here, we need to reboot the group's activity first
12:24:57 <kaz> i/if you/scribenick: kaz/
12:25:06 <kaz> scribenick: McCool
12:25:08 <kaz> q?
12:25:09 <kaz> ack d
12:25:26 <McCool> mm: two problems here; general problem of CG, and specific problem of OpenDay promotion
12:25:33 <kaz> q+
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12:26:25 <McCool> mm: so wondering if there are mechanisms for promoting events, one of which could be the OpenDay
12:26:37 <McCool> kaz: can reboot, need active chair and participants
12:26:57 <kaz> ack k
12:27:09 <kaz> present+ Philipp_Blum
12:28:11 <kaz> q?
12:28:50 <kaz> q+
12:29:18 <McCool> mm: we should consider the CG as one of several mechanisms, and it is more "official", so
12:30:08 <McCool> kaz: need an active chair, currently Dave Raggett is the chair, but should not really be a staff member
12:31:28 <kaz> q?
12:31:30 <kaz> q-
12:31:31 <kaz> q+
12:31:55 <McCool> mm: think we should at least delete the obsolete content, point at new pages
12:32:13 <McCool> ... and community events should officially be CG events
12:33:59 <McCool> ... can put myself forward as chair
12:35:35 <McCool> ... should plugfest be a CG event?
12:35:49 <McCool> kaz: currently pf is IG event
12:36:01 <McCool> mm: ok, let's leave pf alone, but od makes sense as CG
12:36:26 <kaz> s/ pf / plugfest/
12:36:28 <kaz> s/ pf / plugfest/
12:36:35 <kaz> s/ od / openday /
12:37:10 <McCool> mm: my idea is not to do things we are not doing already
12:39:30 <McCool> mm: probably should create a different issue about rebooting the CG
12:40:04 <McCool> kaz: mm too busy?
12:40:43 <McCool> ege: I can do it
12:41:18 <McCool> mm: will have to follow procedures, get nominations, have resolution
12:43:35 <McCool> mm: we have at least a few here...
12:43:41 <McCool> dp: I support ege
12:43:52 <McCool> mizushima: I support ege
12:44:01 <McCool> pb: I support ege
12:44:05 <McCool> mm: I support ege
12:44:17 <McCool> kaz: technically dp is in the same org as ege
12:44:30 <kaz> ack k
12:44:34 <McCool> mm: ok, let's bring this up in the main call
12:45:08 <McCool> subtopic: issue #231
12:46:03 <McCool> mm: updating wiki to include description (can be copied from web page)
12:46:34 <McCool> ... see security and discovery for a template
12:46:39 <kaz> i|updating|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/231 Issue 231 - Add Description to Top of Each TF Wiki Page|
12:46:55 <McCool> ege: ok, let me add a list of task forces pages to work on
12:47:37 <McCool> ... and a link to an example (discovery)
12:48:59 <McCool> mm: note also the link the main call has been broken out in the TOC
12:50:14 <McCool> mm: I will update the Marketing and the Main wiki pages
12:51:57 <McCool> subtopic: three issues from McCool
12:52:13 <McCool> ege: first one @@ is about tutorials being hard to fine
12:52:17 <McCool> s/fine/find/
12:52:25 <McCool> mm: well, they are still hard to find
12:53:15 <McCool> mm: they are not linked from obvious places like documentation or developers
12:54:37 <McCool> ... they can hosted elsewhere, but we should index them on the web page
12:54:51 <kaz> i|first one|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/79 Issue 79 - Tutorials should be easy to find|
12:54:52 <McCool> ege: should we rename documentation?
12:54:58 <kaz> s/ @@ / 79 /
12:55:06 <McCool> mm: could go into main bar, or first thing under Developers
12:55:42 <kaz> s/main bar/menu bar/
12:58:42 <McCool> mm: perhaps rename the current documentation page as "Explainer", add a separate "Tutorials" page, and then a master "Getting Started Guide"
12:59:01 <McCool> dp: for now we can just add a couple of bullet points to the Developer's page
12:59:12 <McCool> mm: sounds good to me
12:59:29 <McCool> ... later on we can discuss doing something more complicated
13:00:09 <McCool> ege: also the developer's journey
13:00:21 <McCool> mm: relates to getting started guide, let's look at that next time
13:00:51 <kaz> [adjourned]
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