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14:52:26 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
14:52:27 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2021
14:53:40 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2021Dec/0005
14:53:43 <Steven> Chair: Steven
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15:01:02 <Steven> Topic: Timescale Plans
15:01:02 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2021Dec/0004
15:01:19 <Steven> Steven: Version neutral XPath
15:01:19 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2021May/0004
15:01:25 <Steven> Steven: Trivial
15:01:40 <Steven> Steven: Introspection functions
15:01:40 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2021May/0003
15:01:40 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/14-forms-minutes#t05
15:01:48 <Steven> Steven: Easy to do. Not much work
15:02:12 <Steven> Steven: Other imple ones:
15:02:18 <Steven> s/imple/simple/
15:02:29 <Steven> collapse="open/closed"
15:02:29 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_group_Element
15:02:43 <Steven> ... State change events
15:02:43 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-forms-minutes.html#item05
15:03:05 <Steven> Steven: Some discussion needed for Submission echo
15:03:05 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2017/07/05-forms-minutes.html#item06
15:03:20 <Steven> ... likewise Repeat with automatic controls
15:03:20 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-forms-minutes.html#item02
15:03:36 <Steven> ... Probably easy Tabbed appearance for select/select1
15:03:36 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2020Aug/0000
15:03:37 <Steven> Tabbed appearance for select/select1
15:03:37 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2020Aug/0000
15:03:54 <Steven> ... WOrk needed Input suggestions for select/select1
15:03:54 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2020/02/19-forms-minutes.html#item02
15:04:17 <Steven> ... Discussion needed MIPs on controls
15:04:17 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/08-forms-minutes.html#item06
15:05:04 <Steven> ... Need research (in how browsers deal with it) Websockets
15:05:04 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2019/10/02-forms-minutes#item06
15:05:04 <Steven> File write/read<control
15:05:04 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2019/01/30-forms-minutes.html#item05
15:05:41 <Steven> ... work for us in desing <control/>
15:05:41 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Jun/0011
15:05:41 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Nov/0010
15:05:58 <Steven> ... Not sure Data traversal
15:05:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Nov/0006
15:06:16 <Steven> ... and not sure Data traversal
15:06:16 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Nov/0006
15:06:39 <Steven> Steven: Comments?
15:06:55 <Steven> Erik: Some of the simple ones are not so simple I believe. Like state changing events
15:07:38 <Steven> ... For sorting, it's already in XPath, so we should use that
15:07:42 <ebruchez_> https://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions-31/#func-sort
15:07:50 <Steven> ... less work for us.
15:08:09 <Steven> ... ... but it needs XPath 3
15:08:41 <Steven> Alain: Inline finction?
15:08:52 <Steven> s/fin/fun/
15:09:16 <Steven> Alain: XPath 3 has function definitions, and so do we.
15:09:34 <Steven> Steven: So should we defer to XPath?
15:09:46 <Steven> Erik: We should still say something.
15:10:22 <Steven> ... we have the function element, but we need to put XPath's somewhere, so we need a function element to contain it.
15:10:29 <Steven> Steven: Sounds sensible.
15:11:00 <ebruchez_> <script>
15:11:17 <Steven> Erik: Could be script type=xpath
15:11:49 <Steven> Alain: is it XPath or XQuery?
15:12:56 <Steven> Erik: [looks]
15:13:26 <Steven> Alain: The prologue is also used for namespaces and global variables.
15:13:54 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to research XPath3 function definitions
15:13:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2309 - Research xpath3 function definitions [on Erik Bruchez - due 2021-12-17].
15:15:02 <Steven> Steven: Do we still need variables?
15:15:19 <Steven> Erik: Maybe.
15:15:27 <Steven> Steven: Include that in your action.
15:16:15 <Steven> Alain: I have been working on fuile read/write
15:16:24 <Steven> s/suil/sil/
15:16:30 <Steven> s/fuil/fil/
15:19:32 <Steven> ... there are tricks
15:20:23 <Steven> ACTION: Alain summarise file read/write
15:20:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2310 - Summarise file read/write [on Alain Couthures - due 2021-12-17].
15:20:33 <ebruchez_> https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2021/10/20/vscode-dev
15:21:19 <Steven> Erik: This is a blog about local files use
15:21:24 <Steven> Steven: Worth reading
15:22:58 <Steven> ACTION: Steven create a document summarising the work to be done based on the list
15:22:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2311 - Create a document summarising the work to be done based on the list [on Steven Pemberton - due 2021-12-17].
15:25:07 <Steven> Steven: <control/> was hanging on mirroring data between the user defined control and the calling instance
15:25:31 <Steven> ... (The original definition copied the data in, and out again after)
15:25:47 <Steven> ... mirroring would mean user defined controls acted like native controls
15:27:15 <Steven> Steven: Echo was to allow people to see what was submitted withotu having a server that echos
15:27:27 <Steven> Erik: You need to have a somewhere.
15:27:59 <Steven> ... it can be useful, there are echo services online. Unless you have your own, it's not reliable.
15:28:21 <Steven> ... we have something in our system, with an echo: scheme
15:28:33 <Steven> ... sends body and headers
15:29:17 <Steven> Steven: I remember the problem with that is our responsibility to define the scheme with the relevant authorities
15:29:24 <Steven> Erik: You could use an attribute
15:30:07 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:30:32 <Steven> Alain: No markupUK; XML Prague in June
15:30:40 <Steven> Steven: Oh!
15:31:00 <Steven> Alain: They've agreed to do alternate years
15:31:28 <Steven> Steven: Next meeting 7 January.
15:31:40 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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15:32:17 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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