15:03:38 RRSAgent has joined #i18n 15:03:38 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-irc 15:03:40 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:03:41 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), xfq 15:03:44 zakim, start meeting 15:03:44 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:03:45 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), r12a 15:04:07 trackbot, start the meeting 15:04:10 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:04:13 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 15:04:13 Date: 09 December 2021 15:04:28 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Dec/0009.html 15:04:28 clear agenda 15:04:28 agenda+ Agenda Review 15:04:28 agenda+ Action Items 15:04:28 agenda+ Info Share 15:04:28 agenda+ RADAR Review 15:04:30 agenda+ String-Meta 15:04:32 agenda+ Security issues in bidi 15:04:33 David has joined #I18n 15:04:39 agenda+ Radar Assignments 15:04:39 agenda+ AOB? 15:04:51 agenda+ IFT review 15:05:49 https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/949281c4-4b02-4c2d-9a10-4edaae2305d4/20211209T150000 15:06:15 agenda+ New, i18n calendar 15:06:26 agenda+ New repo & tool for echidna publishing 15:06:46 present+ r12a, JcK, atsushi, David, xfq 15:07:43 scribe: atsushi 15:07:49 zakim, take up agendum 1 15:07:49 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:07:59 rrsagent, make log public 15:08:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:08:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-minutes.html atsushi 15:08:32 chair: xfq 15:08:39 present+ 15:08:45 agenda? 15:08:54 zakim, take up item 1 15:08:54 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:09:04 zakim, close this item 15:09:04 agendum 1 closed 15:09:05 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:09:05 2. Action Items [from agendabot] 15:09:12 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open 15:09:18 zakim, take up agendum 2 15:09:18 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:09:22 zakim, take up item 2 15:09:24 agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:09:53 https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1098 15:09:59 xfq: 1078? 15:10:17 ... kept open 15:10:23 xfq: 1102 15:10:44 ... have done, but not completedly, asking review now 15:11:16 ... both website and github 15:11:22 xfq: 1105 15:11:47 ... in later item 15:12:23 close action-1105 15:12:23 Closed action-1105. 15:12:39 agenda? 15:12:40 rrsagent, publish minutes 15:12:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-minutes.html atsushi 15:12:46 zakim, close this item 15:12:46 agendum 2 closed 15:12:47 I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:12:47 3. Info Share [from agendabot] 15:12:50 zakim, take up item 3 15:12:51 agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:13:11 scribe+ 15:13:31 atsushi: haven't done agenda+, but would like to share it with the group 15:13:38 ... checking issues in wpt 15:13:48 ... for the past few months 15:14:14 ... I wanted to send something to the member list, but not sure whether that's correct or not 15:14:31 ... on Firefox on Linux @@ fonts 15:14:58 ... Edge on Windows or Safari on macOS @@ complete set of international fonts including CJK 15:15:19 ... we need to check @@ code points for tests 15:15:27 ... still not sure if this is correct or not 15:16:33 r12a: did you say @@ don't have east Asian fonts? 15:17:51 atsushi: the glyphs of some code points are rendered as tofu 15:18:36 s/Firefox on Linux @@/Chrome and Firefox run on Linux seems not have non-western/ 15:18:47 r12a: there is a CJK font I believe available for CJK fonts on wpt 15:19:03 ... you have to look at the font directory in wpt 15:19:31 https://r12a.github.io/scripts/fontlist/ 15:19:57 r12a: here's a list of system fonts for CJK 15:20:04 https://wpt.fyi/analyzer?screenshot=sha1%3A62184ca0e5591687ca98b3702fb02e5078b3a727&screenshot=sha1%3Af948379acf4a4ff38703bceb6d1c737f7638a648 15:20:19 ... you need to click on 'japanese' or 'chinese' 15:21:08 atsushi: this is a test 15:21:22 ... should display a Han character, but it's not in this screenshot 15:23:14 scribe: atsushi 15:23:29 s/Safari on macOS @@/Safari on macOS seems to have/ 15:23:43 s/check @@ code points/check non-western? code points/ 15:24:45 john: which calendar? 15:25:06 xfq: could happen on update without choosing 'sending notification'? 15:25:26 I got 1 yesterday and 2 today. 15:26:12 john: one addressed to me, and one to list 15:26:34 ... to list, joining instruction needs login 15:26:45 r12a: interesting 15:27:14 agenda? 15:27:30 zakim, close this item 15:27:30 agendum 3 closed 15:27:31 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:27:31 4. RADAR Review [from agendabot] 15:27:37 zakim, take up item 10 15:27:37 agendum 10 -- New, i18n calendar -- taken up [from xfq] 15:27:50 r12a: anybody see multiple emails yesterday, again 4 today 15:27:53 xfq: did 15:28:15 atsushi: i believe that is the correct behavior 15:28:35 ... one email will be sent to the list and one email will be sent to the participant 15:28:52 r12a: two should be ok, but four seems strange 15:29:20 xfq: when update system will send notification, update without notification system will not send 15:29:52 I received 4 today and 2 yesterday. 15:30:13 r12a: updated agenda several times, and invitation might be sent when agenda items were updated everytime 15:30:20 ... why two to the list? 15:30:36 john: looks like, one to individual, one updated invitation to individuals 15:30:47 ... original invitation yesterday 15:30:58 r12a: three individual invitations yesterday 15:31:11 ... question is why second one today. 15:31:42 john: could be due to removing email address temporary? 15:32:12 r12a: supposed that to list is for archival purpose, and another to ones listed in database 15:32:37 ... another invitation will be sent to ones in individual invitation list 15:32:51 ... system might duplicate that to all? 15:33:25 https://github.com/w3c/calendar/issues/22 15:33:26 ... one to the list does never has an invitation link in its email 15:33:39 xfq: seems to be a known issue in link 15:34:10 john: good to know if W3C wide issue 15:34:59 https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/i18n-core/calendar 15:35:00 r12a: basically, if you go to the calendar system 15:35:17 ... you should be able to see list of teleconferences 15:35:26 ... I'm hoping this could solve timezone issue 15:35:39 ... I believe and hope, this automatically converts DST changes 15:35:50 ... you will see in appropriate time 15:36:25 ... things we can check here are that, I can correct if anything wrong 15:36:42 ... for now, until January is registered, and will extend to March shortly 15:37:05 john: bunch of timezones, and some highlighted ones 15:37:22 ... problem is what you will receive 15:37:41 r12a: i18n in practice 15:38:26 john: 15:39:26 r12a: you should be able to see all upcoming teleconferences, but you still need to write email for agenda+ 15:41:05 agenda? 15:42:02 agenda, close this item 15:42:11 zakim, close this item 15:42:11 agendum 10 closed 15:42:12 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:42:12 4. RADAR Review [from agendabot] 15:42:17 zakim, take up next 15:42:17 agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot] 15:42:25 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 15:42:49 xfq: any update? 15:43:14 q+ 15:43:27 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/167 15:45:48 r12a: is this a review for a self-review, or review for a document? 15:45:51 atsushi: not sure 15:45:56 r12a: could you clarify that? 15:46:03 atsushi: @@ 15:46:07 r12a: this is not clear whether a request for review on spec or check on self checklist results 15:49:37 xfq: will leave this here for a while, and tell atsushi to take actions for clarify and additional information 15:49:42 the i18n group is concerned that the group intends to go to CR 'soon' but hasn't yeet issued a request for wide review 15:50:06 the i18n group would like specific pointers to what has changed in the spec for the review 15:51:17 xfq: three other agenda items, addison is not here and cannot discuss about string-meta and security issue 15:51:30 r12a: agree, should be repeat one 15:51:52 zakim, close this item 15:51:52 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, xfq 15:52:01 ack next 15:52:04 zakim, close this item 15:52:04 agendum 4 closed 15:52:06 I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 15:52:06 5. String-Meta [from agendabot] 15:52:20 zakim, take up agendum 10 15:52:21 agendum 10 -- New, i18n calendar -- taken up [from xfq] 15:52:23 Topic: Calendar 15:52:42 r12a: want to ask about possibility on @@@1 15:52:58 bert: could be possible, and could take sometime 15:53:10 r12a: Can agendabot read the agenda in the W3C calendar, Bert? 15:53:12 s/@@@1/change agendabot get the agenda from the calendar, rather than an email ? 15:53:28 agenda? 15:53:42 Topic: New repo & tool for echidna publishing 15:53:45 Topic: New repo & tool for echidna publishing 15:53:45 https://github.com/w3c/i18n-editors 15:53:45 https://w3c.github.io/i18n-editors/echidna-pub/ 15:53:52 r12a: links above 15:54:08 ... yesterday or before, richard and xfq setup new repository 15:54:34 ... idea is to one goto place for chairs and editors, for procedure of go through list of document publishing 15:54:53 ... at this moment, we have links to publishing guidelines and editorial guidelines 15:55:09 ... two are working for editorial guidelines at another repository 15:55:34 ... new document in this repository, handy guilde to publish working draft, as second link 15:56:21 ... this is a form, type login credentials, and go through steps listed, and them get stuff for publication 15:56:23 s/guilde/guide/ 15:57:06 ... there is a box at bottom for one to be pasted in echidna file 15:57:17 ... for gap-analysis document, need to be careful on link checker 15:57:44 ... will get images from github, which blocks you due to API limit 15:58:16 xfq: in near future, need to change from WD to DNOTE 15:58:27 r12a: necessity in any case, also for echidna file 15:58:54 xfq: will issue an email to i18n editors 15:59:54 atsushi: my email is just an idea without final form 16:00:19 r12a: if you find anything, provide as email 16:01:15 xfq: link from i18n pages? 16:01:39 zakim, take up agendum 8 16:01:40 agendum 8 -- AOB? -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:01:43 xfq: any AOB? 16:01:52 ... silent, and finish this meeting 16:01:58 rrsagent, publish minutes 16:01:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-minutes.html atsushi 16:03:47 s/will issue/I saw r12a sent/ 16:04:05 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:04:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-minutes.html xfq 17:40:11 regrets+ Addison, Fátima 17:40:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:40:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/09-i18n-minutes.html r12a 18:34:42 r12a has joined #i18n