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13:53:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:53:14 <trackbot> Date: 08 December 2021
13:53:15 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:53:17 <jasonjgw> present+
13:53:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Publication and revision of CAPTCHA Note.
13:53:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:53:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
13:53:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:53:23 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
13:53:33 <jasonjgw> zakim, clear agenda
13:53:33 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:53:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Publication and revision of CAPTCHA Note.
13:53:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:53:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
13:53:47 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:53:50 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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13:54:24 <janina> agenda?
13:54:34 <janina> present+
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14:01:15 <Joshue108_> scribe: Joshue108
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14:03:06 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Publication and revision of CAPTCHA Note. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:03:13 <SteveNoble> present+
14:03:26 <Joshue108_> zakim, agenda?
14:03:26 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
14:03:27 <Zakim> 1. Publication and revision of CAPTCHA Note. [from jasonjgw]
14:03:27 <Zakim> 2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:03:27 <Zakim> 3. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
14:03:28 <Zakim> 4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:03:28 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
14:03:31 <JPaton> John_Paton present+
14:04:00 <Joshue108_> JW: We are planning to publish with those adjustments in the FPWD - CFC finished on 6th of Dec
14:04:19 <Joshue108_> There has been some fine tuning of the announcements, thanks Josh and Janina
14:04:28 <Joshue108_> JW: I like the latest edits
14:04:50 <Joshue108_> JW: All lining up well - so are there any other matters that need to be resolved
14:05:18 <Joshue108_> JS: If we are happy with the messaging - then we have all in place.
14:05:31 <Joshue108_> We are publishing on the 16th
14:05:55 <Joshue108_> If we are in agreement on messaging - would the rest want to hear a read thru - we can do that.
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14:06:35 <Joshue108_> JS: We should also ask for feedback on the Turing tokens etc
14:06:48 <Joshue108_> Privacy pass is implimented by Cloudflare.
14:06:53 <scott_h> present+
14:07:21 <Joshue108_> JW: I did suggest that if there are other proposals of note - we want to know about those.
14:08:01 <Joshue108_> JW: Has anyone any issue with the slight expansion of our usual things?
14:08:30 <Joshue108_> JS: We are exposing things already that we want to change - I'm not comfortable with the standalone section.
14:08:43 <Joshue108_> JW: I've thoughts on the organisation.
14:08:54 <Joshue108_> JW: I can take an action to start opening issues on the tracker
14:09:01 <Joshue108_> JS: Go for it.
14:10:08 <Joshue108_> <gives overview of the things we want feedback on>
14:10:50 <jasonjgw> Janina: notes we agreed to add section 3.4 to the matters on hich review is sought.
14:15:42 <Joshue108_> JOC: I've updated the announcement for Shawn
14:15:52 <Joshue108_> JS: Anything else?
14:16:10 <Joshue108_> JS: If Shawn ok's it, it will go live 16th of Dec - we have time
14:16:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:16:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:16:35 <Joshue108_> JW: Notes Steve has been working on open issues
14:17:36 <Joshue108_> Lets discuss
14:17:45 <Joshue108_> SN: All the issues that were brought up, look like they are old and may need to be closed.
14:18:12 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/229
14:18:44 <Joshue108_> This is about ASR accuracy
14:20:42 <Joshue108_> JOC: If we are happy to close this, then I can do that.
14:21:13 <Joshue108_> SN: The changes we made take care of the point
14:21:32 <Joshue108_> We made edits AI => Machine Learning, as well as other caveats
14:21:43 <Joshue108_> We've covered these issues that Nigel raised
14:21:51 <Joshue108_> JW: Any disagreements?
14:22:27 <jasonjgw> Josh will close any issues after the meeting on which decisions were taken
14:22:39 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/228
14:23:24 <Joshue108_> SN: Josh added this section to the editors note
14:23:32 <Joshue108_> JW: Fully integrated
14:23:37 <Joshue108_> SN: We can close
14:23:44 <Joshue108_> JOC: I'll take care of that.
14:23:58 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/196
14:24:37 <Joshue108_> SN: Jason was to create a biblo.js file - or I can do it with some info.
14:24:47 <Joshue108_> JW: I can do it.
14:25:03 <Joshue108_> JS: We do want to do it.
14:25:25 <Joshue108_> <Discussion on biblio.js>
14:28:03 <Joshue108_> JOC: Takes an action to create a biblio.js for SAUR.
14:28:12 <Joshue108_> Needed by 16th Dec
14:28:40 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/195
14:29:04 <Joshue108_> SN: This was an early issue raised before the draft was completed
14:29:14 <Joshue108_> This was all done - to be closed
14:29:26 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/194
14:29:52 <Joshue108_> SN: This is the addtion of a summary and recommendation section
14:30:06 <Joshue108_> JW: There was another related question
14:30:16 <Joshue108_> Should we mark the earlier one as a duplicate.
14:31:30 <Joshue108_> This is related to issue 248
14:31:33 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/248
14:33:40 <Joshue108_> SN: The other substantive comments were from James Sandford - suggesting a rewrite of a stidy that he did
14:34:01 <Joshue108_> Suggestion discussion around the translation of latency and caption.
14:34:07 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/247
14:34:18 <Joshue108_> s/stidy/study
14:34:39 <SteveNoble> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/237
14:35:01 <Joshue108_> SN: I'm setting aside some time to read that study and figure out what to say in the draft
14:35:48 <Joshue108_> SN: These last three require some work 248, 247, 237 - the rest can be closed
14:35:55 <Joshue108_> JOC: I'll take care of that
14:36:50 <Joshue108_> scribe: SteveNoble
14:37:32 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Seems that we have covered SAUR issues.
14:37:40 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:37:41 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:39:30 <SteveNoble> scott_h: A number of open issues on remote meetings
14:40:00 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Issue #261 - automated captions
14:40:34 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Commenter mentioned issues with caption accuracy
14:41:39 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Suggesting that we mention ASR is better than one at all, but understanding that human captions are better
14:42:30 <SteveNoble> scott_h: correction "...better than none at all"
14:48:38 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Issue #260 screen sharing
14:49:17 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Discussion around how API impacts screen sharing
14:50:20 <SteveNoble> scott_h: A lot depends upon the content actually being shared
14:50:54 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Some 3rd party plugins may help
14:51:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Most times this is just shared as a video screen; the general recommendation has been to share files separately
14:52:49 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Not sure if there is an interest in tool developers to solve any of these issues in the underlying technologies
14:53:32 <SteveNoble> scott_h: Since these 3rd party tools are not well developed, we may just want to close this issue
14:54:38 <SteveNoble> scott_h: We mention making resources available to all participants in an accessible version before a meeting as the goal
14:55:40 <SteveNoble> janina: Point that having to depend upon a screen reader output during a meeting is a hindrance to participation
14:57:51 <SteveNoble> janina: COGA is reviewing lots of documents
14:58:50 <SteveNoble> janina: They are currently using Google docs to capture their comments (not GitHub)
14:59:28 <SteveNoble> janina: Will pass on links to these docs when they are available to us
15:00:26 <SteveNoble> janina: Will look at a future meeting date for a joint call
15:01:06 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We will need to time to digest their comments; so probably will have to wait to January for a joint call
15:01:35 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Our next call is Dec 15; last for the year
15:01:43 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
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