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18:57:10 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
18:57:10 <trackbot> Date: 01 December 2021
18:57:17 <Judy> agenda?
18:57:23 <Judy> zakim, clear agenda
18:57:23 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:59:32 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, agenda check -- any additions? (Please put present+ in IRC)
18:59:32 <Judy> agenda+ Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
18:59:32 <Judy> agenda+ International Day of Persons with Disabilities: reaching out around WAI work
18:59:32 <Judy> agenda+ And an FYI around terminology
18:59:33 <Judy> agenda+ Discussion: new work under development, process conversion, review requests?
18:59:33 <Judy> agenda+ Carried over: accessibility & privacy, accessibility and security, next steps? landing pages?
18:59:35 <Judy> agenda+ Checking back on: glossary?
18:59:37 <Judy> agenda+ Checking back on: community groups?
18:59:44 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
18:59:44 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scribe, rssagent, agenda check -- any additions? (Please put present+ in IRC) -- taken up [from Judy]
19:00:13 <Judy> agenda+ Meeting agendas, timing, and format
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19:03:08 <MichaelC> present+
19:03:13 <Judy> present+
19:03:31 <brentb> present+
19:03:36 <brentb> joining zoom in a moment
19:04:35 <Judy> agenda+ LVTF update
19:05:03 <janina_> janina_ has joined #waicc
19:05:50 <janina_> present+
19:05:53 <janina_> scribe: janina
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19:06:16 <tzviya> present+
19:06:22 <shawn-afk> present+
19:07:12 <janina_> Judy: Reviews timing of these calls; is it still the best scheduling?
19:07:48 <Judy> agenda+ CAPTCHA
19:08:14 <Judy> agenda+ FYI about an EOWG Survey to review user stories of How PWD Use the Web
19:08:21 <Judy> agenda?
19:08:37 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:08:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates: publication plans, announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
19:08:46 <janina_> q+
19:10:06 <Judy> ack ja
19:10:13 <janina_> janina: asks about finding old drafts
19:12:14 <janina_> shawn: Yes, link in  guidance; format may have changed
19:12:31 <janina_> shawn: Could be confusing that existing note go back to fpwd
19:12:40 <Judy> q+
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19:14:06 <janina_> Judy: Notes APA hoping to go W3C Statement on this CAPTCHA update
19:14:11 <janina_> janina_: Sure hope so!
19:15:14 <janina_> brentb: Needed more clarity for what EO would look at?
19:15:45 <janina_> brentb: Do we need an intro page on the WAI site for the next note? CAPTCHA?
19:16:12 <janina_> shawn: Notes EO overview pages
19:16:48 <janina_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Dec/0000.html
19:16:56 <shawn> examples: https://www.w3.org/WAI/pronunciation/ & https://www.w3.org/WAI/personalization/
19:17:48 <shawn> q+
19:18:14 <Judy> ack ju
19:18:16 <Judy> ack sh
19:18:17 <janina_> Judy: Asks Janina to follow up on existing landing pages and discuss with Shawn on how to update
19:18:36 <Judy> q+ Tzviya
19:18:43 <janina_> shawn: Suggests doing so before the messaging idealy
19:19:10 <Judy> ack Tz
19:20:20 <janina_> MichaelC: Notes WCAG3 heartbeat plus Explainer due for publication shortly
19:20:23 <shawn> q+
19:20:47 <janina_> MichaelC: Notes Explainer not yet approved for publication
19:20:49 <Judy> q+ to clarify why I'm in copy on the transition request
19:20:58 <janina_> MichaelC: Would like to publish Tuesday 7 December
19:21:47 <shawn> ack me
19:21:48 <shawn> ack j
19:21:48 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to clarify why I'm in copy on the transition request
19:21:51 <janina_> [discussion whether Explainer should really be TR]
19:22:38 <janina_> Judy: Notes PLH typically cc's on high profile publications
19:23:16 <janina_> Judy: We do need many people, more than active in Silver, following WCAG3 development and seeing progress
19:24:06 <janina_> Judy: Encourages meaningful messaging with each draft, even if light messaging
19:24:48 <janina_> MichaelC: Believe Jeanne's messaging accomplishes that; and is also in SOTD
19:25:47 <janina_> MichaelC: Also ARIA 1.2 2nd CR coming; doesn't need messaging particularly
19:25:50 <Judy> q?
19:26:20 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:26:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- International Day of Persons with Disabilities: reaching out around WAI work -- taken up [from Judy]
19:27:06 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/blog/?p=20477&shareadraft=baba20477_61a59464e54fe
19:27:24 <Judy> topic: new work fyi's
19:27:40 <janina_> MichaelC: Suggests discussing Maturity Model; compliments Conformance in AGWG for WCAG 3 -- Early proposal
19:28:16 <janina_> MichaelC: AGWG doesn't have time; Suggestion to move to APA; Or maybe a Community Group?
19:28:26 <janina_> MichaelC: Suggestion is that it's new work
19:29:16 <shawn> q+ to be a wet blanket
19:30:44 <janina_> shawn:  Unsure of how Maturity Model fits where
19:31:07 <shawn> ack me
19:31:07 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to be a wet blanket
19:31:11 <janina_> Michael: Believe it's a priority for some people; but not others
19:31:30 <shawn> q+ to say where
19:31:43 <janina_> q+
19:31:57 <Judy> ack sh
19:31:57 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say where
19:32:22 <janina_> shawn: Concerned that it not be in too small a group; and be careful about expectations
19:32:26 <Judy> q+
19:33:25 <Judy> ack ja
19:33:31 <Judy> ack ju
19:33:50 <janina_> janina_: I'm enticed by the process over time aspect of MM
19:35:00 <janina_> Michael: Better to foster the people with the passion to work on their deliverable
19:35:06 <janina_> +1 to that
19:36:32 <janina_> Michael: Also COGA Mental Health work
19:36:47 <janina_> Judy: Suggest to put that on our agenda 15 December
19:37:10 <Judy> NEXT MEETING AGENDA ITEM: Coga's upcoming MH work
19:37:15 <Judy> agenda?
19:37:15 <shawn> zakim, take up agenda 3
19:37:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- International Day of Persons with Disabilities: reaching out around WAI work -- taken up [from Judy]
19:37:32 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/blog/?p=20477&shareadraft=baba20477_61a59464e54fe
19:38:04 <janina_> shawn: Has a blog post to get out asap; feedback welcome; can make tweaks after posting
19:38:42 <janina_> shawn: Aside: Note the ?AUR poem!
19:39:39 <janina_> shawn: Hoping people will see it today/tomorrow
19:40:24 <Judy> zakim, take up next
19:40:24 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- And an FYI around terminology -- taken up [from Judy]
19:40:49 <tzviya> https://www.diversitystyleguide.com/ (resource I just learned about today)
19:41:10 <janina_> shawn: Sent msg to waicc list
19:41:19 <janina_> janina_: Saw that post, am OK with what it has
19:41:40 <janina_> janina_: Note that Conformance Options is playing with additional definitions here:
19:42:13 <janina_> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Conformance_Glossary_Candidates
19:42:57 <Judy> agenda?
19:43:06 <janina_> shawn: Notes additional discussion in EO
19:43:13 <Judy> zakim, drop item 5
19:43:13 <Zakim> agendum 5, Discussion: new work under development, process conversion, review requests?, dropped
19:43:19 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
19:43:19 <Zakim> agendum 4, And an FYI around terminology, closed
19:43:20 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:43:20 <Zakim> 6. Carried over: accessibility & privacy, accessibility and security, next steps? landing pages? [from Judy]
19:43:26 <shawn> agenda?
19:44:11 <Judy> zakim, drop item 7
19:44:11 <Zakim> agendum 7, Checking back on: glossary?, dropped
19:44:35 <Judy> zakim, drop item 8
19:44:35 <Zakim> agendum 8, Checking back on: community groups?, dropped
19:45:58 <Judy> [JB: BE SURE TO BRING BACK QU ABOUT MEETING TIME, FORMAT, AGENDA SCOPE]
19:46:54 <Judy> zakim, take up item 10
19:46:54 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- LVTF update -- taken up [from Judy]
19:47:32 <janina_> shawn: Have respected low vision researcher who co-authored a paper on simulations
19:47:45 <janina_> shawn: Useful for contrast in icons
19:48:08 <janina_> shawn: Opening discussion in WCAG3 algos for contrast
19:48:32 <janina_> shawn: In LVTF on 16th
19:48:40 <janina_> shawn: Open invitation
19:48:50 <janina_> shawn: will invite all groups
19:49:15 <shawn> q+
19:49:40 <shawn> q+ to IP still a speparate issue. LVTF still has isues
19:50:39 <shawn> ack me
19:50:39 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to IP still a speparate issue. LVTF still has isues
19:51:25 <janina_> [discussion on how to build the LVTF]
19:51:55 <shawn> Shawn IP issue still needs followup from W3C
19:52:02 <shawn> Shawn: IP issue still needs followup from W3C
19:53:00 <Judy> JB confirms that this is actively on my plate, but also may need more info from MC or SLH, will let you know if so.
19:53:14 <shawn> agenda?
19:53:16 <Judy> q?
19:53:28 <janina_> brentb: Have been working on pwd user stories again
19:53:30 <Judy> zakim, take up item 12
19:53:30 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- FYI about an EOWG Survey to review user stories of How PWD Use the Web -- taken up [from Judy]
19:53:40 <Judy> zakim, drop item 11
19:53:40 <Zakim> agendum 11, CAPTCHA, dropped
19:53:50 <Judy> azakim, close LVTF update
19:53:52 <janina_> brentb: Will have a survey open through 14 December
19:53:53 <shawn> paper https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2021.671121/full titled “Simulating Visibility and Reading Performance in Low Vision”
19:53:54 <Judy> agenda?
19:54:11 <Judy> zakim, close item 10
19:54:11 <Zakim> agendum 10, LVTF update, closed
19:54:12 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:54:12 <Zakim> 6. Carried over: accessibility & privacy, accessibility and security, next steps? landing pages? [from Judy]
19:54:16 <shawn> q+
19:54:38 <Kim_patch> q+
19:54:43 <Judy> zakim, drop item 9
19:54:43 <Zakim> agendum 9, Meeting agendas, timing, and format, dropped
19:54:49 <Judy> agenda?
19:54:56 <janina_> shawn: Would appreciate input on how to position these
19:55:01 <Judy> ack sh
19:55:16 <janina_> shawn: It could take forever far too easily
19:55:34 <janina_> janina: Notes it COGA forever to finish Content Usable; but it's a useful doc
19:56:21 <janina_> Kim_patch: Concerned that issues I've raised have not been substantively addressed; How to help better?
19:56:33 <shawn> q+ to reply
19:57:04 <Judy> ack ki
19:57:28 <Judy> ack sh
19:57:28 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to reply
19:57:42 <janina_> shawn: Notes this was discussed this morning specifically; we are considering though we've been slow
19:58:48 <janina_> Judy: Want to understand this better
19:59:16 <janina_> Judy: Is there an opportunity for direct interaction in order to clarify?
20:00:09 <janina_> brentb: Suggests we circle back with Kevin
20:00:15 <Judy> q?
20:00:22 <shawn> s/ circle back with Kevin/ circle back with Kevin and editing team
20:01:08 <janina_> brentb: I can followup
20:02:03 <janina_> zakim, bye
20:02:03 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, George, MichaelC, Judy, Chuck, tzviya, brentb, janina_, shawn-afk
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20:02:09 <janina_> rrsagent, make minutes
20:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/12/01-waicc-minutes.html janina_
20:04:12 <janina_> rrsagent, bye
20:04:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items