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13:45:53 <avneeshsingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
13:45:53 <Zakim> ok, avneeshsingh
13:46:03 <avneeshsingh> present+
13:46:11 <avneeshsingh> chair: avneeshsingh
13:47:29 <avneeshsingh> agenda+ Guidance for writing accessibility summary (Raw document for starting point is at:https://github.com/benetech/AccessibilitySummaryEPUBMetadata/blob/master/AccessibilitySummaryAuthoringGuidelines.md)
13:48:12 <avneeshsingh> agenda+ Further plans for User experience guide for displaying accessibility metadata.
13:48:28 <avneeshsingh> agenda+ Document for explaining difference between audio books, audio sync with text and read aloud
13:48:42 <avneeshsingh> agenda+ Should we move ARIA roles and bpub:type guide from IDPF to W3C?
13:49:14 <avneeshsingh> agenda+ Further discussion
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14:01:54 <JF> Present+
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14:03:35 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:03:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Guidance for writing accessibility summary (Raw document for starting point is
14:03:37 <Zakim> ... at:https://github.com/benetech/AccessibilitySummaryEPUBMetadata/blob/master/AccessibilitySummaryAuthoringGuidelines.md) -- taken up [from avneeshsingh]
14:04:07 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: welcome to Publishing CG a11y TF
14:04:20 <gpellegrino> ... the idea is to define an agenda for the next months
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14:04:39 <gpellegrino> ... let's start from today's agenda
14:08:42 <avneeshsingh> https://github.com/benetech/AccessibilitySummaryEPUBMetadata/blob/master/AccessibilitySummaryAuthoringGuidelines.md
14:09:03 <gpellegrino> ... Guidence document for Accessibility Summary
14:09:22 <gpellegrino> ... it's a metadata for humans (non-machine-readable)
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14:09:42 <gpellegrino> ... publishers are asking for guidance on how to create che accessibility summary
14:10:06 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:10:12 <gpellegrino> George: we started with this guide at the same time of the UX guidelines for displaying metadata
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14:10:37 <gpellegrino> ... the UX guide was more urgent, so we focused on it
14:10:45 <gpellegrino> q+
14:10:46 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:10:58 <avneeshsingh> ack next
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14:11:24 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: what's the status of the document?
14:11:32 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: it is an early draft
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14:11:46 <gpellegrino> JF: will it be published as a W3C note?
14:12:00 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:12:06 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: it should be published as a Community Group note
14:12:06 <Alex_> present+
14:12:28 <gpellegrino> JF: I suggest to investigate in publishing as a W3C note
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14:12:50 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:13:14 <gpellegrino> q+
14:13:43 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:13:43 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, avneeshsingh
14:14:20 <Madeleine> q+
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14:14:35 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: can you move the document in ReSpec?
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14:14:37 <CharlesL> ack gpellegrino
14:14:39 <rickj> q+
14:14:45 <mgarrish> present+
14:14:48 <CharlesL> ack Madeleine
14:14:49 <gpellegrino> ... CharlesL
14:14:53 <avneeshsingh> ack madl
14:15:05 <avneeshsingh> ack rick
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14:15:13 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: yes, if mgarrish can help with the first transformation
14:15:43 <gpellegrino> Madeleine: does this will enable issue tracking for this doc?
14:15:48 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: yes
14:16:20 <CharlesL> q+
14:16:29 <avneeshsingh> ack charl
14:16:32 <gpellegrino> rickj: ??? (sorry)
14:16:50 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: accessibilitySummary is only text, we cannot have formatting there
14:17:22 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:17:28 <gpellegrino> rickj: I think this could be useful also for other formats (like PDFs)
14:17:41 <avneeshsingh> https://www.w3.org/publishing/a11y/UX-Guide-metadata/principles/
14:17:54 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: next big item is maintenance of the UX guide for metadata
14:18:12 <gpellegrino> ... there are some changes in the new specs, so we have to modify them
14:18:28 <gpellegrino> ... to align
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14:19:47 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:20:19 <gpellegrino> ... me and Gregorio had a call with EDRLab on their work in France
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14:20:39 <George> q+
14:20:55 <avneeshsingh> ack george
14:20:56 <Madeleine> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues
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14:21:19 <rickj> q+ to mention https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/77
14:21:29 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: they're setting up a working group for displaying accessibility metadata of ebooks, really similar to out work
14:21:45 <gpellegrino> ... this work was requested by the French Ministry for Culture
14:22:32 <gpellegrino> ... they've set up a working group with publishers, librarians, ecommerce and end-users
14:22:33 <avneeshsingh> q?
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14:22:45 <avneeshsingh> ack rick
14:22:45 <Zakim> rickj, you wanted to mention https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/77
14:22:47 <gpellegrino> ... they've translated the UX guide in French
14:23:06 <gpellegrino> ... and they've developed a mockup for displaying metadata
14:23:23 <CharlesL> q+
14:23:26 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:23:34 <avneeshsingh> ack charl
14:23:35 <gpellegrino> ... they'll test it with end users and give us feedback
14:24:22 <gpellegrino> rickj: I think it may be important to find a solution for accessibility metadata reconciliation (from different sources)
14:24:34 <avneeshsingh> q?
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14:24:51 <gpellegrino> ... the problem is if they're conflicting
14:24:55 <gpellegrino> q+
14:25:04 <avneeshsingh> ack gre
14:25:32 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:25:40 <avneeshsingh> ack gre
14:25:42 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I think we can work on it in this TF, producing best practices
14:26:23 <mgarrish> https://www.w3.org/community/a11y-discov-vocab/
14:26:27 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: for maintaining the Schema.org values we've created a specific community group lead by Charles and Madeleine
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14:26:37 <avneeshsingh> https://www.w3.org/community/a11y-discov-vocab/
14:27:27 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: we have a wiki page with the different values for EPUB accessibility
14:27:53 <gpellegrino> ... we have to clean them; some examples are outdated
14:28:30 <gpellegrino> Madeleine: for now the group will work more on issues and posting rather than with meetings
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14:28:52 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:29:01 <avneeshsingh> ack gre
14:29:07 <avneeshsingh> ack gp
14:29:19 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:29:19 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Further plans for User experience guide for displaying accessibility metadata. -- taken up [from avneeshsingh]
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14:29:39 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:29:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, avneeshsingh
14:29:48 <avneeshsingh> zakim, close this agendum
14:29:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:29:49 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:49 <Zakim> 3. Document for explaining difference between audio books, audio sync with text and read aloud [from avneeshsingh]
14:29:56 <avneeshsingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/blob/main/editorial-drafts/audio-playback/index.html
14:30:24 <CharlesL> zakim, take up item 3
14:30:24 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Document for explaining difference between audio books, audio sync with text and read aloud -- taken up [from avneeshsingh]
14:30:43 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: people were confused on the difference between audiobooks, TTS, MO, etc.
14:30:43 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:31:17 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:31:24 <gpellegrino> ... The document is nearly finished, I think in the next meeting we can vote for publish it
14:31:36 <mgarrish> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/editorial-drafts/audio-playback/
14:31:36 <gpellegrino> ... as a CG report
14:31:43 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:31:53 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:31:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Should we move ARIA roles and bpub:type guide from IDPF to W3C? -- taken up [from avneeshsingh]
14:32:06 <avneeshsingh> https://idpf.github.io/epub-guides/epub-aria-authoring/
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14:32:58 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: we have some IDPF documents that weren't re-published as W3C
14:33:11 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:33:30 <gpellegrino> ... the only document that is related to accessibility is the mapping between epub:type and DPUB Aria roles
14:33:38 <gpellegrino> ... it needs some update
14:33:52 <gpellegrino> s/update/updates/
14:33:59 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:34:03 <gpellegrino> ... the question is: should we republish it?
14:34:04 <gpellegrino> q+
14:34:17 <avneeshsingh> ack gp
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14:35:01 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:35:12 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I think it is important to update and re-publish it
14:35:23 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:35:27 <CharlesL> q+
14:35:53 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:36:08 <gpellegrino> George: I'm a little bit concerned of too many documents... maybe we can add it to the DPUB Aria specs
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14:36:41 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: this is very much related to EPUB
14:36:43 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:37:00 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: is a Community Report the right type of document?
14:37:05 <rickj> q+
14:37:09 <avneeshsingh> ack charl
14:37:36 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: yes, maybe it is something that may be transfered to the EPUB WG
14:38:00 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: I don't even know if it is an "accessibility" document
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14:39:06 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: I'll open an issue in the EPUB WG for moving this document
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14:40:15 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: with the CG we have a broaden audience, but the document is done, so we only have to update and publish it
14:40:38 <gpellegrino> mgarrish: yes, when published everyone can give feedback, it is open
14:40:44 <avneeshsingh> ack rick
14:40:50 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: we have even speak about it in this group
14:41:13 <JF> +1 to Rick
14:41:15 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:41:34 <gpellegrino> rickj: I think all the work of the IDPF should be moved to the EPUB WG
14:41:38 <avneeshsingh> zakim, next agendum
14:41:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Further discussion -- taken up [from avneeshsingh]
14:41:46 <JF> which is why I asked about making the accessibility statement document an actual w3c Note
14:42:16 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:42:34 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: are other tasks on which members want to work on?
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14:42:46 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:42:52 <gpellegrino> George: what about MARC technique for UX guide?
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14:43:34 <gpellegrino> pascal: we have a metadata group in he library focused in accessibility
14:43:42 <gpellegrino> ... we have some contacts in IFLA
14:43:54 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:43:56 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: great!
14:45:24 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:45:51 <avneeshsingh> q?
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14:46:37 <gpellegrino> George: maybe we can open an issue on that
14:47:14 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:47:46 <CharlesL> q+
14:47:58 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:48:16 <avneeshsingh> ack charl
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14:48:46 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: there is a grant for libraries for developing accessibility metadata, training, etc.
14:49:13 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:50:48 <JF> Q+
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14:53:43 <avneeshsingh> ack jf
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14:55:14 <JF> epub.tools
14:55:53 <avneeshsingh> q?
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14:56:38 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:56:38 <JF> s/epub.tools/https://epub.tools
14:56:49 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:57:06 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: I hope there will be more calls for this TF
14:57:22 <avneeshsingh> q?
14:57:26 <gpellegrino> ... thank you all for this co-planning of the next 7-8 months!
14:58:02 <avneeshsingh> rrsagent, make logs public
14:58:15 <avneeshsingh> rrsagent, make minutes
14:58:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/30-pcg-a11y-minutes.html avneeshsingh
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15:00:56 <avneeshsingh> zakim, leave
15:00:56 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been avneeshsingh, CharlesL, JF, rickj, Madeleine, gpellegrino, George, Alex_, mgarrish
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