IRC log of MiniApp on 2021-11-25

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Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
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present+
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present+ zitao
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present+ Yulu_Chao
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present+ Qing_An
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present+ Dan_Zhou
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present+ Changhao_Liang
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present+ martin
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present+ Wenli_Zhang
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present+ yanyumeng
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qing: let's start
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/17
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qing: xfq made some suggestions
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... I agree
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... can we merge this PR?
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present+ xiaoqian
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... for a11y and security & privacy, i'm still working on it
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... for a11y we still need to meet with the mobile a11y tf
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qing: manifest
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martin: we don't have any update to the spec
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zitao: we need to update the a11y part
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present+ canfeng
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... for other parts i think we're mature enough
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... we need to work with the a11y folks
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martin: we're following the discussions about translation in WAM
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martin: i updated the packaging spec
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... suggestions from xfq
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... update some links and references
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... ready to move forward
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xfq: will publish it next week
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... fpwd
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dan: about addressing, need more comments
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... hope to merge the PR
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qing: i took a quick look
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... think it's a big one
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... need more time to think
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... i would like to ask if there's any comments
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canfeng: we have suggestions to add some widget-related use cases
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... to addressing
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... will comment in github
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qing: propose we give another 2 weeks
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... to solicit comments
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dan: no problem
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canfeng: sounds good to me
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qing: widget Requirements
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canfeng: plan to further improve this document
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... and plan to start another widget spec in the CG
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... give us 2 weeks
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zitao: you listed some requirements in the document
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... related to uri, packaging, lifecycle, manifest
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... have you read the current work in the group
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... do you think it's harmonized
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canfeng: we have compared each requirement
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... with the current work in the WG
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... for @@ satisfied , for addressing need more examples
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present+ Kapoor_Manvi
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zitao: suggest you prepare an explainer
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... may help others understand
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canfeng: what is an explainer?
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[zitao explains explainer]
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present+ wangww
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xfq: @@
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canfeng: give us two weeks
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... need to look at it in more detail
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qing: white paper
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https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/171
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qing: do we want to start from the previous version or start a new outline?
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dan: i suggest to expand our previous version
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zitao: i see comments from @@
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... we need to explain what 's the benefit, what's the gap
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present+ Manvi_Kapoor
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present- Kapoor_Manvi
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[qing shares his outline]
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[discuss qing's updated toc]
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qing: i will upload it to github
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... discuss the outline first
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canfeng: timeline?
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zitao: plan to publish it around new year
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present+ angel
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angel: MiniApps is not only in china
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... there are some similar kinds of products in the global market
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... i was wondering if we should be looking at the international products
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... like US, EU, Japanese, Korean products.
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xfq: yes, maybe we can ask some other participants in the CG
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... will look into this
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Qing: I'd be happy to send an invitation to them
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scribe+ xiaoqian
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Qing: maybe also those participants of our MiniApps Workshop?
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zitao: +1
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... look forward to other partners
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angel: we should also collect the information during TPAC?
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... we should provide an overview of what happening in the globe
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Qing: good idea
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if needed, I can collect these TPAC info and see if they are useful for the white paper
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... we should also make the most of the materials we prepared for the TPAC
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action: angel to collect feedback from TPAC
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xiaoqian: i wonder if we can provide some material on the WG or CG for the developers
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... we have prepared a lot of info for tpac
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... can we provide a Developer-oriented page?
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... do people think it's worth doing?
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qing: developers may not be members
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... prefer CG page
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... could you or xfq collect these materials?
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xiaoqian: What do you think of putting them on MDN?
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qing: i'm supportive of this idea
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... developers care more about the implementation of MiniApps
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+1 for MDN documentation. Specs are usually hard to understand by developers
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... if we have more progress on the converting tool people will be interested
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+ 1 to provide Miniapp dev info
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... specs are not so interesting for developers
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zitao: agree
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... we need to have a page about how to develop a standard MiniApp
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xiaoqian: maybe we can make it an agenda item for the next meeting
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qing: next meeting, Dec 23?
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angel: too close to Christmas
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zitao: how about joint meeting with CG on 16th?
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qing: ok
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+1 to Dec 16
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