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11:53:51 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Teleconference
11:53:56 <xfq> present+
11:54:08 <xfq> rrsagent, make log public
11:54:11 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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11:57:54 <xfq> present+ zitao
11:59:16 <xfq> present+ Yulu_Chao
12:00:16 <xfq> present+ Qing_An
12:00:20 <xfq> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:00:51 <xfq> present+ Changhao_Liang
12:00:59 <xfq> present+ martin
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12:01:28 <xfq> present+ yanyumeng
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12:02:55 <xfq> qing: let's start
12:03:14 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/17
12:03:52 <xfq> qing: xfq made some suggestions
12:04:15 <xfq> ... I agree
12:04:25 <xfq> ... can we merge this PR?
12:04:40 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:05:23 <xfq> ... for a11y and security & privacy, i'm still working on it
12:05:40 <xfq> ... for a11y we still need to meet with the mobile a11y tf
12:05:48 <xfq> qing: manifest
12:06:08 <xfq> martin: we don't have any update to the spec
12:06:25 <xfq> zitao: we need to update the a11y part
12:06:33 <xfq> present+ canfeng
12:06:57 <xfq> ... for other parts i think we're mature enough
12:07:20 <xfq> ... we need to work with the a11y folks
12:07:48 <xfq> martin: we're following the discussions about translation in WAM
12:08:30 <xfq> martin: i updated the packaging spec
12:08:38 <xfq> ... suggestions from xfq
12:08:53 <xfq> ... update some links and references
12:09:09 <xfq> ... ready to move forward
12:09:59 <xfq> xfq: will publish it next week
12:10:01 <xfq> ... fpwd
12:10:13 <xfq> dan: about addressing, need more comments
12:10:40 <xfq> ... hope to merge the PR
12:11:06 <xfq> qing: i took a quick look
12:11:12 <xfq> ... think it's a big one
12:11:16 <xfq> ... need more time to think
12:11:37 <xfq> ... i would like to ask if there's any comments
12:12:08 <xfq> canfeng: we have suggestions to add some widget-related use cases
12:12:13 <xfq> ... to addressing
12:12:24 <xfq> ... will comment in github
12:12:49 <xfq> qing: propose we give another 2 weeks
12:12:55 <xfq> ... to solicit comments
12:13:25 <xfq> dan: no problem
12:13:29 <xfq> canfeng: sounds good to me
12:14:08 <xfq> qing: widget Requirements
12:14:21 <xfq> canfeng: plan to further improve this document
12:14:36 <xfq> ... and plan to start another widget spec in the CG
12:14:52 <xfq> ... give us 2 weeks
12:15:25 <xfq> zitao: you listed some requirements in the document
12:15:35 <xfq> ... related to uri, packaging, lifecycle, manifest
12:15:49 <xfq> ... have you read the current work in the group
12:15:56 <xfq> ... do you think it's harmonized
12:16:06 <xfq> canfeng: we have compared each requirement
12:16:20 <xfq> ... with the current work in the WG
12:16:46 <xfq> ... for @@ satisfied , for addressing need more examples
12:17:58 <xfq> present+ Kapoor_Manvi
12:18:30 <xfq> zitao: suggest you prepare an explainer
12:18:41 <xfq> ... may help others understand
12:19:16 <xfq> canfeng: what is an explainer?
12:19:33 <xfq> [zitao explains explainer]
12:19:53 <xfq> present+ wangww
12:21:57 <xfq> xfq: @@
12:23:00 <xfq> canfeng: give us two weeks
12:23:05 <xfq> ... need to look at it in more detail
12:23:34 <xfq> qing: white paper
12:24:05 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/171
12:25:58 <xfq> qing: do we want to start from the previous version or start a new outline?
12:26:24 <xfq> dan: i suggest to expand our previous version
12:26:44 <xfq> zitao: i see comments from @@
12:27:00 <xfq> ... we need to explain what 's the benefit, what's the gap
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12:27:40 <xfq> present- Kapoor_Manvi
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12:28:03 <xfq> [qing shares his outline]
12:31:17 <xfq> [discuss qing's updated toc]
12:35:02 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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12:39:07 <xfq> qing: i will upload it to github
12:39:19 <xfq> ... discuss the outline first
12:40:33 <xfq> canfeng: timeline?
12:40:54 <xfq> zitao: plan to publish it around new year
12:43:05 <xfq> present+ angel
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12:44:42 <xfq> angel: MiniApps is not only in china
12:44:58 <xfq> ... there are some similar kinds of products in the global market
12:45:12 <xfq> ... i was wondering if we should be looking at the international products
12:45:35 <xfq> ... like US, EU, Japanese, Korean products.
12:46:25 <xiaoqian> xfq: yes, maybe we can ask some other participants in the CG
12:46:35 <xiaoqian> ... will look into this
12:46:53 <xiaoqian> Qing: I'd be happy to send an invitation to them
12:47:00 <xiaoqian> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:47:19 <xiaoqian> Qing: maybe also those participants of our MiniApps Workshop?
12:47:28 <xiaoqian> zitao: +1
12:47:39 <xiaoqian> ... look forward to other partners
12:48:00 <xiaoqian> angel: we should also collect the information during TPAC?
12:48:24 <xiaoqian> ... we should provide an overview of what happening in the globe
12:48:50 <xiaoqian> Qing: good idea
12:49:03 <angel> if needed, I can collect these TPAC info and see if they are useful for the white paper
12:49:05 <xiaoqian> ... we should also make the most of the materials we prepared for the TPAC
12:49:50 <xiaoqian> action: angel to collect feedback from TPAC
12:51:05 <xfq> xiaoqian: i wonder if we can provide some material on the WG or CG for the developers
12:51:27 <xfq> ... we have prepared a lot of info for tpac
12:51:58 <xfq> ... can we provide a Developer-oriented page?
12:52:10 <xfq> ... do people think it's worth doing?
12:52:41 <xfq> qing: developers may not be members
12:52:46 <xfq> ... prefer CG page
12:53:52 <xfq> ... could you or xfq collect these materials?
12:54:17 <xfq> xiaoqian: What do you think of putting them on MDN?
12:54:28 <xfq> qing: i'm supportive of this idea
12:54:40 <xfq> ... developers care more about the implementation of MiniApps
12:54:56 <martin> +1 for MDN documentation. Specs are usually hard to understand by developers
12:55:04 <xfq> ... if we have more progress on the converting tool people will be interested
12:55:10 <angel> + 1 to provide Miniapp dev info
12:55:16 <xfq> ... specs are not so interesting for developers
12:55:32 <xfq> zitao: agree
12:56:45 <xfq> ... we need to have a page about how to develop a standard MiniApp
12:57:03 <xfq> xiaoqian: maybe we can make it an agenda item for the next meeting
12:57:53 <xfq> qing: next meeting, Dec 23?
12:58:00 <xfq> angel: too close to Christmas
12:58:21 <xfq> zitao: how about joint meeting with CG on 16th?
12:58:38 <xfq> qing: ok
12:58:41 <angel> +1 to Dec 16
12:59:22 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
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