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14:17:47 <kaz> meeting: WoT PlugFest/Testing
14:17:52 <kaz> chair: Fady
14:18:34 <McCool> topic: minutes review
14:18:34 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Fady_Salama, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:18:50 <McCool> fs: transfer of chairs to Fady
14:19:02 <McCool> ... also met with McCool to discuss flow, tools, etc.
14:19:07 <McCool> ... did that offline
14:19:09 <kaz> i|transfer|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-pf-minutes.html Nov-17|
14:19:37 <McCool> ... also looked at PR197, merged even with error, which seems to be in the tool, not the data
14:19:54 <McCool> fs: no objections to publishing minutes?
14:20:02 <McCool> .. none, to be published
14:20:30 <McCool> topic: repo, wiki, and github reorg
14:20:43 <McCool> fs: there is a lot of old information hanging around
14:21:40 <kaz> i/transfer/scribenick: McCool/
14:21:49 <McCool> ... up till now, TDs put in org's folder; but better if organize by implementation instead
14:21:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:21:56 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/24-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:21:56 <McCool> ... this aligns better with the report
14:26:28 <kaz> q+
14:26:34 <McCool> mm: generally speaking good to align plugfest contributions with test data reorg
14:27:18 <kaz> ack k
14:28:18 <McCool> mm: still a few fixes needed to test data; also we need to define what an implementation is
14:28:52 <McCool> ... I can copy the current text from the IR into a README, make a PR, and we can discuss as part of PR review
14:29:21 <McCool> fs: as another point, we are discussing plugfest results using issues; but seems like it is a problem to solve
14:29:31 <McCool> ... and they never get closed
14:29:44 <McCool> ... was thinking we could migrate to the github wiki instead
14:30:00 <McCool> ... so instead of issues, we can have wiki pages
14:31:44 <McCool> mm: think about requirements; we would like to link to results for one project and for all projects for one plugfest
14:32:24 <McCool> ... also, everyone needs access to wiki
14:33:01 <McCool> ... or rather, just the group
14:33:51 <kaz> q+
14:33:54 <McCool> ... another option is just have a directory under the plugfest with an md file for each project
14:34:07 <McCool> fs: going to create an issue then to discuss
14:35:45 <McCool> kaz: can discuss wiki pages, but only three levels, editor, member, public
14:36:40 <McCool> mm: concerned that non-members can't document projects using wiki; md files would allow PRs from non-members
14:36:55 <McCool> ... also suggest that once we have a new system we can copy all the content from the old issues and close them
14:37:11 <McCool> fs: next topic and I'd like to clean up the wiki
14:38:14 <McCool> mm: suggest we archive rather delete content
14:39:43 <McCool> ... should create a sub-page like in main wiki
14:39:43 <kaz> s/, public/, public by default/
14:39:56 <McCool> ... but definitely agree wiki needs to be cleaned up
14:40:19 <kaz> s/can discuss wiki pages/can discuss permissions for wiki pages and should be able to generate a group-only wiki page/
14:42:53 <McCool> topic: Plugfest organization
14:42:59 <McCool> mm: need a date first
14:43:16 <McCool> ... but it seems we generally agree on Feb
14:43:26 <McCool> ... but need a doodle to nail it down
14:43:51 <McCool> ... then can create basic structure
14:44:05 <McCool> fs: right, will do that, also set up readme, etc.
14:44:11 <McCool> topic: profile testing
14:44:54 <McCool> ml: would like to create profile spec that aligns with plugfest
14:45:51 <McCool> mm: in general I would say profiles are more restrictive than what is done in plugfest
14:46:51 <McCool> ... also we need to distinguish experimental vs. testing examples
14:47:29 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:47:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:47:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/24-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
14:47:42 <McCool> ml: also there is a lot of out-of-band communication to resolve how TDs should be interpreted
14:47:56 <McCool> fs: how do we intend to test profiles?
14:48:01 <kaz> q+
14:48:06 <McCool> ml: first, need a JSON schema or validator
14:48:21 <McCool> ... that would extend TD testing
14:48:40 <McCool> ... don't think we need a big machine; maybe some additional assertions
14:51:17 <McCool> mm: do think the existing tools will work, but we should extend the assertion tester to use different JSONSchemas, which we need anyway for TMs
14:52:03 <McCool> ... and then we can use manual assertions for corner cases that can't be automatically tested
14:52:28 <McCool> ml: doing review of TD spec; current information model is not correct for TMs, 5.2
14:52:52 <McCool> ... for example, forms are mandatory in TDs but not TMs
14:55:31 <McCool> mm: summary of actions: PR on data directory to add impl desc; doodle for plugfest (kaz); start organizing event dir for Feb (fs); look at requirements for assertion tester to support profiles (fs)
14:55:59 <kaz> q+
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14:56:39 <kaz> q-
14:57:22 <McCool> kaz: when should we aim to finalize?
14:57:36 <McCool> mm: probably two weeks from now, otherwise we get into xmas
14:57:50 <McCool> ... post doodle now, decide in Dec 14 main call
14:57:53 <McCool> fs: adjourn
14:58:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:10:40 <kaz> regrets+ Ege
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