13:01:11 RRSAgent has joined #wot-uc 13:01:11 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-irc 13:01:30 mlagally_ has joined #wot-uc 13:01:39 meeting: WoT Use Cases 13:01:44 present+ Kaz_Ashimura 13:01:47 chair: Lagally 13:04:07 present+ Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool 13:05:47 Mizushima has joined #wot-uc 13:06:22 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 13:07:24 regrets+ David_Ezell 13:08:20 McCool has joined #wot-uc 13:08:27 scribenick: McCool 13:08:47 conexxus could not join today, further discussion deferred to a future meeting 13:09:13 ml: orchestration has come up in several topics, we should probably gather requirements for it 13:09:15 i/cone/topic: Agenda/ 13:09:27 ... would be good also to finalize the retail/ECLASS use case 13:09:42 ... and we need to look at the Industry 4.0 use case 13:10:06 ... and housekeeping, we should see what we can publish by the end of the year 13:10:20 ... there are a number of new contributions lately that would be worth including 13:11:06 mm: propose we stop taking new things end of nov and spend dec cleaning up 13:11:23 ... any publication moritaums? 13:11:33 kaz: dec 21 is deadline for this year 13:11:39 [[ 13:11:40 December 20, 1200Z:  Deadline for publication requests before moratorium 13:11:40 December 21: Last publications before moratorium 13:11:42 ]] 13:11:44 ... need to send request one day earlier, so dec 20 13:11:55 s/... need/kaz: need/ 13:11:58 ml: ok, and probably aiming for one week before 13:12:29 ... next week's call is still in nov, then we have dec 7 and 14, next would be after deadline 13:12:38 q+ 13:12:40 ... so just two calls for cleanup and approval 13:13:14 kaz: although note can be published without worrying the deadline 13:13:40 mm: although getting things done by the 14th would be a good idea because holidays 13:13:41 rrsagent, make log public 13:13:45 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:13:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 13:13:56 mm: think it makes sense to consolidate conexxus 13:14:11 ... regarding gaps, time series data has also come up now and them 13:14:59 q+ 13:16:30 mm: I think in general we need better support for "client" things for various reasons: security, power savings, etc. 13:16:30 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/media-production-workshop/agenda.html Media Production Workshop 13:16:58 ... and that leads to needs for shadows (e.g. a service caching state for a thing), and that leads naturally to a service that holds historical data 13:17:21 kaz: media and entertainment (w3c workshop on media production) has some use cases for IoT as well 13:17:46 ... many topics, synchronization for instance; also metadata. 13:18:19 ryuichi has joined #wot-uc 13:18:19 mm: think we should ask NHK for some broader use cases 13:18:39 kaz: expect some new use case from web-based media production 13:18:45 s|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/media-production-workshop/agenda.html Media Production Workshop|| 13:18:55 i|media and|https://www.w3.org/2021/03/media-production-workshop/agenda.html| 13:20:00 mm: I also want to point out that smart tvs are natural iot hubs, already include web browsers, and would be a good way to engage Samsung, Sony, LG, etc. 13:20:22 ml: wonder if we have expertise in this group for media 13:21:34 mm: think we should look into recruitment efforts, starting with a few more joint calls with MEIG 13:22:24 kaz: have been looking at playback, but lately looking at production 13:22:34 mm: and home entertainment is perhaps another one 13:23:01 kaz: but home production is also a thing now 13:23:17 ml: but we can start by looking at indoor retail camera 13:23:25 ... would be a good step forward 13:23:29 ... video streams 13:23:48 q? 13:23:49 q- 13:23:51 q+ 13:24:26 mm: agree that video streams are an important use case we should look at; applies to surveillance, but also home teleconferencing, etc. 13:25:28 ml: generic question; specific things like playback, or more general "media handling" goal in charter 13:26:06 kaz: media handling is really a horizontal use case 13:26:20 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 13:26:20 mm: also connects to edge computing and analytics 13:27:03 ack k 13:27:30 mm: suggest we consolidate what we have over the next three weeks, but start an issue to capture thoughts about gaps, requirements, etc 13:29:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:29:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 13:31:07 topic: Issues for next publication 13:31:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apublication-2.0 Issues marked with "publication-2.0" 13:32:10 ml: some discussion during the Editors call as well 13:32:46 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/103 Issues 103 - Discovery requirements 13:33:31 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/104 Issues 104 - Discovery use cases 13:35:32 mm: will have discussion during the Discovery call on Monday 13:36:07 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/49 Issue 49 - Complete privacy section for Oauth use case 13:36:16 ml: what about issues on Security/Privacy? 13:37:18 https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/issues/203 13:37:26 s/https/-> https/ 13:37:41 s/203/203 wot-security Issue 203 - Consolidate security issues of use cases document/ 13:38:23 ml: please consolidate the use case issues related to security 13:38:27 topic: Minutes 13:38:38 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/16-wot-uc-minutes.html Nov-16 13:38:47 ml: (goes through the minutes) 13:39:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:39:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 13:40:03 i/orchestration/topic: Publication plan/ 13:40:55 (approved) 13:41:23 s/Issues marked with/scribenick: kaz/ 13:41:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:41:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 13:41:52 topic: PRs 13:41:57 subtopic: PR 140 13:42:29 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/140 PR 140 - Retail use case with ECLASS semantics 13:43:27 ml: would merge this 13:44:22 mm: wondering if the Dataset Exchange WG is still active 13:44:26 kaz: yes 13:45:02 mm: maybe we need some clean-up 13:45:21 ml: merge this and add clean-up later 13:45:36 topic: PR 153 13:45:54 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/153 PR 153 - Remove "editor note" markup and deleted duplicate reference section 13:46:21 mm: suggest we go ahead and merge, then deal with cleanup during consolidation; we already have GS1 somewhere else, I think (it is about barcodes) 13:46:59 ml: fixed the style of ECHONET text within the Liaison section 13:47:12 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/153.html#echonet preview 13:47:26 ml: McCool, do you think you can generate some text for OGC? 13:47:29 mm: yeah 13:47:57 ml: what about EdgeX? 13:48:03 mm: should ask Farshid 13:48:33 ... can generate one line or two, though 13:48:53 s/mm: suggest we go ahead and merge, then deal with cleanup during consolidation; we already have GS1 somewhere else, I think (it is about barcodes)// 13:49:00 i/merge this and/mm: suggest we go ahead and merge, then deal with cleanup during consolidation; we already have GS1 somewhere else, I think (it is about barcodes)/ 13:49:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:49:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 13:49:15 ml: would merge this 13:49:22 mm: agree 13:49:47 subtopic: PR 136 13:50:09 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/136 PR 136 - Draft: Digital twin use case 13:50:32 mm: where is this from? 13:50:38 ml: MiniApps group 13:51:08 mm: talking with them about Edge Computing context as wel 13:51:11 s/wel/well/ 13:51:30 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 13:52:16 mm: any possible conflicts with the existing use cases on digital twins? 13:52:37 ml: don't think there is any conflict though there are overlaps 13:52:52 mm: ok with merging this and think consolidation later 13:52:58 ml: agree 13:53:27 (merged) 13:54:06 ml: let's look at the contributions directory; seems the digital twins uc we just merged might be in the wrong place 13:54:24 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/digital-twin-use-case.md merged MD on Digital Twin use case 13:54:43 i/let's/scribenick: McCool/ 13:55:36 topic: PR 90 13:55:49 ... need volunteer to generate HTML file (by running tools) from MD files; may want to collect a bunch first, make sure they are in the right 13:56:04 s/topic: PR 90// 13:56:11 s/... need/ml: need/ 13:56:13 topic: PR 90 13:56:27 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/90 PR 90 - Industry 4.0 - Motivation for OPC UA Binding 13:56:32 seb: regarding factory/opc-ua/industry 4.0 use case, updated to include McCool's input on security 13:57:06 q+ 13:58:36 ml: would merge this PR 13:58:49 ... but we need a volunteer to generate the HTML for this 13:59:02 ... Mizushima-san, can you do that? 13:59:30 mizu: no problem 13:59:40 kaz: agree with merging this PR, thanks for doing, relates to OPC-UA 13:59:50 (merged) 14:00:04 i/ould merge/scribenick: kaz/ 14:00:11 i/agree/scribenick: McCool/ 14:00:25 ml: have a few other issues without owners that could use some input, eg. automotive 14:00:40 i/have/topic: Issues/ 14:00:53 seb: for automotive, Daniel Williams from BMW; is a mirrored issue in VSSO group; I will ping him 14:01:03 s/Williams/Wilms/ 14:01:40 i|for automotive|subtopic: Issue 111| 14:01:56 i|for automotive|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/111 Issue 111 - Automotive Use Case based on VSSo| 14:02:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:02:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 14:02:33 ml: aob? 14:02:38 s/topic: PR 153/subtopic: PR 153/ 14:02:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:02:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 14:02:48 ml: none, adjourn 14:02:58 ml: pls volunteer... 14:05:29 s/scribenick: kaz "publication-2.0"/Issues marked with "publication-2.0"/ 14:05:47 i/Issues marked with "publication-2.0"/scribenick: kaz/ 14:05:49 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 14:05:55 [adjourned] 14:05:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:05:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 14:06:16 s/topic: PR 90/subtopic: PR 90/ 14:06:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:06:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/23-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz 16:01:12 Zakim has left #wot-uc