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12:59:44 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:06:10 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Michael_Lagally, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:08:15 <mjk> topic: minutes from VF2F
13:08:41 <McCool> proposal: publish TPAC 2021 WoT F2F and OpenDay minutes
13:08:53 <kaz> i/minutes/scribenick: mjk/
13:08:59 <McCool> resolution: publish TPAC 2021 WoT F2F and OpenDay minutes
13:09:00 <mjk> mm: objections?
13:09:13 <mjk> resolution is approved
13:09:54 <mjk> topic: review minutes
13:10:18 <mjk> mm: small corrections noted
13:10:46 <mjk> kax: fixed
13:11:33 <dape> s/kax:/kaz:
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13:14:04 <mjk> mm: any objections to publish?
13:14:13 <mjk> mm: no objections
13:14:21 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:14:22 <mjk> topic: quick updates
13:14:24 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:14:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:14:48 <mjk> mm: talk about security on the 23rd
13:16:01 <mjk> ... goting to talk about security in general and will add a blurb about WoT
13:16:05 <kaz> i|small corrections|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/10-wot-minutes.html Nov-10|
13:16:08 <mjk> s/goting/going
13:17:20 <mjk> mm: review editors call discussion about publication schedule for the normative specs
13:17:29 <kaz> q?
13:17:33 <kaz> q+ kaz
13:17:34 <kaz> ack k
13:17:51 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:17:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:17:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:18:13 <mjk> mm: won't be able to attend the calls early AM in North America but will defer to the rest of the participants
13:18:47 <mjk> ml: the 10:00 UTC is only for this week, and we will look for a new time slot
13:19:14 <mjk> kaz: will allocate a new Webex now
13:19:48 <mjk> mm: need to update the WoT events on the web page
13:20:05 <mjk> ... need to discuss in the Marketing call
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13:21:54 <kaz> q+
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13:22:56 <mjk> mm, ege: discussion on some proposals for the update
13:23:25 <mlagally> q+
13:23:40 <mjk> mm: any objections to the discussed update?
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13:24:04 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
13:24:31 <mjk> kaz: some of the links have been useful, maybe we can condense the list to comma-separated to reduce the scrolling problem
13:24:49 <mjk> mm: needs to be better navigation bar also
13:25:00 <McCool> proposal: restructure top of wiki pages to reduce space used for links to TF in every wiki; remove obsolete tfs
13:25:10 <kaz> ack k
13:25:49 <mjk> ml: there are other issues with navigation; the main page has a lot of confusion
13:26:09 <mjk> ... maybe we can move the links to old stuff to the bottom
13:26:44 <mjk> mm: moving to the bottom might make things harder to find
13:26:49 <kaz> s/some of/I'm OK with removing or shrinking the information if everybody agrees. However, those/
13:26:55 <mjk> ... but we can first remove the old content
13:27:10 <mjk> ... and make the list smaller
13:27:17 <kaz> q+
13:27:20 <kaz> ack ml
13:28:08 <kaz> ack k
13:28:18 <mjk> kaz: let's create an issue to track what we're doing
13:28:34 <kaz> s/an issue/another issue/
13:28:47 <mjk> mm: let's break it down to single pieces
13:28:50 <McCool> resolution: restructure top of wiki pages to reduce space used for links to TF in every wiki; remove obsolete tfs
13:28:59 <mjk> mm: any objections?
13:29:07 <mjk> ... approved
13:29:12 <McCool> mm: kaz will implement...
13:29:40 <kaz> action: kaz to work on the restructuring of links on the TF wikis
13:29:43 <mjk> mm: updates from Japan CG?
13:30:12 <mlagally> q+
13:30:24 <kaz> qq+
13:30:45 <kaz> ack k
13:30:45 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
13:31:29 <mjk> Mizushima-san: completed the discussion (?)
13:31:55 <mjk> mm: prefer to add upcoming meeting to the W3C calendar, even if not an English-speaking event
13:32:05 <kaz> q?
13:32:24 <mjk> ML: what is the status of the WoT CG?
13:32:41 <mjk> kaz: it's complicated; we can discuss next time
13:33:04 <mjk> mm: marketing group should be part of the CG, maybe could lead the CG
13:33:45 <mjk> mm: CG includes outreach and other overlap with marketing
13:33:49 <kaz> q+
13:33:52 <mjk> ege: second this
13:34:11 <kaz> ack ml
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13:36:35 <mjk> kaz: one issue is web page maintenance being done outside the WG
13:36:59 <mjk> topic: IG charter
13:37:30 <mjk> kaz: current status is reviewing 2 comments from W3C management, and there are 2 issues to address these
13:38:19 <mjk> mm: I fixed some of these already, must have missed some instances
13:40:01 <mjk> mm: any objections to merging PR 1008?
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13:40:50 <mlagally> q+
13:40:58 <kaz> ack k
13:41:11 <mjk> mm: there are some typos remaining, I can fix them
13:42:01 <mjk> ... we can merge on the next call
13:42:55 <mjk> ml: should we talk about plans separately from past activities
13:43:24 <mjk> kaz: we should keep the description of past activities
13:44:56 <mjk> mm: PR 1006, we need to create an issue about descriptions on wiki pages
13:45:25 <mjk> s/wiki/TF wiki
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13:46:07 <mjk> issue #231
13:46:07 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/231
13:46:26 <mjk> topic: wg charter
13:46:47 <mjk> mm: not super critical due to the extension
13:47:04 <mjk> ... the issue is collecting topics on things to worry about
13:47:31 <mjk> ... please propose new topics got the new charter
13:48:09 <mjk> ... we're running out of time on the current charter, don't know if we have to do anything to resolve things
13:48:39 <mjk> ... we do need to finalize the proposal
13:48:52 <mjk> sk: we all agree on the proposal
13:49:06 <mjk> kaz: we are already submitting by email
13:49:31 <mjk> ... no update on Smart Cities
13:50:07 <mjk> ... Joint call with ITU-T on Feb. 3rd
13:50:36 <mjk> s/... no/mm: no
13:51:05 <mjk> mm: opc-ua waiting for follow-up meeting
13:51:11 <mjk> topic: TF reports
13:51:18 <mjk> mm: scripting
13:51:57 <mjk> dape: discussing next charter, approved PRs and created new issues
13:52:15 <mjk> ... also scrip management
13:52:56 <mjk> mm: security - discussed best practices document and adding sections on onboarding and local networks, needs to relax TLS requirement for local networks
13:53:21 <mjk> ... reviewed a lot of specs, we should use IETF guidance around this
13:54:07 <mjk> ... discovery - main discussion is JSON path and leaning toward making JSON path informative
13:54:37 <mjk> ... currently missing regex so we can't even subset now
13:54:49 <kaz> present+ Fady_Salama
13:54:51 <mjk> ... leaves only Xpath and SPARQL
13:54:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:54:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:55:14 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:55:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:55:16 <mjk> ... the current proposal is no mandatory query mechanism
13:55:45 <mjk> mm: looking to JSON path in 2.0
13:55:51 <mjk> ... marketing
13:56:03 <mjk> ega: discussed PRs to update the web page
13:56:12 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
13:56:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:56:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:56:15 <mjk> ... navigation bar improvements and a context tab
13:56:29 <mjk> s/ega/ege
13:56:45 <mjk> ege: talked about charter
13:56:57 <mjk> ... closed some superficial issues
13:57:10 <mjk> dape: update events and time zone information
13:57:44 <mjk> ege: there is an issue about navigation to Events, currently it's not intuitive
13:57:56 <mjk> dape: need a dedicated navigation item
13:58:04 <mjk> mm: use case TF
13:58:05 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:58:40 <mjk> ml: had a call with Connexus and will follow up next week
13:58:54 <kaz> s/Connexus/Conexxus/
13:59:07 <mjk> ... common theme emerging is orchestration - may need a TD mechanism to describe orchestration
13:59:09 <mjk> mm: TD
13:59:43 <mjk> sk: working on issues around compatibility with TD 1.0
14:00:08 <mjk> ... optimistic about completing by end of November
14:00:50 <mjk> ... discussion about the new namespace and have a proposal for today's meeting
14:01:13 <mjk> ... remaining items like IANA registration, file extension
14:01:38 <mjk> mm: also need to update discovery for the new TD
14:01:44 <mjk> mm: architecture
14:01:55 <mjk> ml: reviewed the extension plan, long discussion
14:02:19 <mjk> ... reviewing proposals for discovery in the profile
14:03:00 <mjk> ... open issue about missing information in the discovery spec
14:03:36 <mjk> ... 17 PRs and 20 issues, need to see which are blocking
14:03:45 <kaz> q+
14:03:48 <kaz> ack ml
14:04:10 <mjk> mm: want to remind everyone that there is a proposal from Ben about asynchronous decision process
14:04:37 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1005
14:05:09 <mjk> kaz: we should wait until the next charter period to make changes
14:05:29 <mjk> mm: there needs to be a better writeup in the charter
14:05:45 <mlagally> q+
14:05:51 <kaz> ack k
14:05:53 <mjk> ... please review and comment on the PR
14:07:16 <mjk> ml: there seems to be a recent change in expectations around the decision process
14:07:46 <mjk> ml: some proposed changes are too big to review, etc.
14:08:05 <mjk> mm: need to put this on the agenda for next week priority
14:08:22 <mjk> ... please review the PR and prepare to discuss
14:08:41 <mjk> ... plugfest call at :13
14:09:02 <mjk> ... adjourned
14:09:40 <kaz> [main call adjourned; PlugFest call starts at :13 on this WebEx and #wot-pf IRC channel]
14:09:48 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:09:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-wot-minutes.html kaz
14:19:28 <sebastian> topic: minutes
14:19:49 <sebastian> there was no meeting last week
14:20:09 <sebastian> minutes are from Oct 20.
14:20:48 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/20-wot-pf-minutes.html
14:21:06 <sebastian> any objections?
14:21:13 <sebastian> no
14:21:30 <sebastian> topic: Transfer chairs
14:22:03 <sebastian> from next week Fady will moderate the PlugFest call
14:23:03 <sebastian> it have to be clarified what you need for the transfer
14:23:42 <sebastian> ohh no
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