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13:42:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:42:58 <trackbot> Date: 17 November 2021
13:43:23 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:43:26 <jasonjgw> present+
13:43:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Revision of CAPTCHA Note.
13:43:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
13:43:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
13:43:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:43:46 <jasonjgw> agenda+ RQTF and COGA: potential research topics.
13:43:48 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous issues and TPAC 2021 observations.
13:44:09 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
13:44:09 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
13:44:10 <Zakim> 1. Revision of CAPTCHA Note. [from jasonjgw]
13:44:10 <Zakim> 2. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
13:44:10 <Zakim> 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:44:10 <Zakim> 4. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
13:44:10 <Zakim> 5. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
13:44:11 <Zakim> 6. Miscellaneous issues and TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
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14:02:11 <Joshue108_> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:02:11 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw
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14:02:20 <Joshue108_> present+
14:02:27 <SteveNoble> present+
14:03:23 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:23 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Revision of CAPTCHA Note. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:03:33 <Joshue108_> Scribe: Joshue108
14:04:31 <Joshue108_> JW: This is the working group note
14:04:38 <Joshue108_> There is a CFC at the moment
14:04:39 <scott_h> present+
14:04:50 <Joshue108_> Should conclude tonight
14:05:01 <Joshue108_> We hope to enable republication, then have a review
14:05:10 <janina> ~https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Nov/0000.html
14:05:25 <Joshue108_> This relates to the new W3C process doc etc
14:05:36 <Joshue108_> JS: E'one here should have voted.
14:05:41 <Joshue108_> Please do if not.
14:05:58 <Joshue108_> JW: No dissent
14:06:37 <Joshue108_> JW: On the substance - there is a proposal that Janina referred to, from Cloudflare to use the Web Authenticaltion API
14:06:55 <Joshue108_> To assert the user is a person
14:07:23 <Joshue108_> Then they can proceed. The second part strengthens privacy a la zero knowledge proofs etc
14:07:58 <Joshue108_> 2 part proposal from Cloudflare - interesting as it looks like it will do e'vthing that CAPTCHA does, and could be a comple CAPTCHA replacement
14:08:19 <Joshue108_> Interesting solution, potentially better than others.
14:08:30 <Joshue108_> JW: I've drafted changes that describe the proposal
14:08:36 <janina> q+
14:08:58 <Joshue108_> ack jan
14:09:25 <Joshue108_> JS: I agree that is a strong proposal that we should give serious consideration too..
14:09:40 <Joshue108_> s/too../to.
14:09:46 <Joshue108_> JS: We will have some edits
14:10:22 <Joshue108_> There is also economic advise that should make it into the intro
14:10:38 <Joshue108_> It is costly to use CAPTCHA, in terms of frustration and wasted time
14:10:56 <Joshue108_> We need to publish this note as a FPWD
14:11:06 <Joshue108_> And signal to the community we are working on this document
14:12:02 <Joshue108_> SH: +1 on the really good data on the cost of using CAPTHCA from Cloudflare
14:12:15 <Joshue108_> JW: I've a branch, with these changes - not merged
14:12:34 <Joshue108_> JW: Is that reasonable?
14:12:49 <Joshue108_> How long do we want to wait for comments? Xmas etc
14:13:01 <Joshue108_> At least until the end of Jan or Feb for comments.
14:13:10 <Joshue108_> SH: I'd support that.
14:13:36 <Joshue108_> RK: Regarding timeline, the holidays are coming soon and I'm not familiar with the process, so can we include that info in email?
14:13:51 <Joshue108_> And have more knowledge - I'm listening and learning
14:14:13 <Joshue108_> JW: We want to propose late Jan.
14:14:27 <Joshue108_> JW: Publication will for sure not happen before Dec.
14:14:36 <Joshue108_> <Janina updates Raja on process>
14:15:11 <Joshue108_> q?
14:16:39 <Joshue108_> JS: This becomes another kerbcut - not just an a11y issue but of benefit for all
14:16:56 <Joshue108_> JW: I will look for editing opportunitites
14:17:06 <Joshue108_> q+ to ack Judys request
14:17:54 <Joshue108_> JS: <Discussion on previous draft work>
14:18:28 <Joshue108_> ack me
14:18:29 <Zakim> Joshue108_, you wanted to ack Judys request
14:19:05 <Joshue108_> JW: We are not meeting next week
14:19:19 <Joshue108_> we can schedule in Dec or Jan
14:19:34 <Joshue108_> JS: Beginning in Jan?
14:19:42 <Joshue108_> JW: We can look at their availability.
14:19:58 <Joshue108_> JOC: No meeting on the 24th
14:20:14 <Joshue108_> nor the 22nd or 29th
14:21:45 <Joshue108_> RESOLUTION: RQTF would very much like to meet the Flash mitigation folks in either Dec 1, 8 or 15 or Jan 5th, 12, 19 or 26
14:22:26 <Joshue108_> @judy - check resolution for possible dates
14:22:48 <Joshue108_> JS: Anything else on CAPTHCA?
14:23:01 <Joshue108_> JS: Confirming our bibliography errors?
14:23:07 <Joshue108_> JW: No issues
14:23:45 <Joshue108_> zakim, agenda?
14:23:45 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:23:46 <Zakim> 1. Revision of CAPTCHA Note. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:46 <Zakim> 2. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:46 <Zakim> 3. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:46 <Zakim> 4. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:46 <Zakim> 5. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:23:47 <Zakim> 6. Miscellaneous issues and TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
14:23:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:24:35 <Joshue108_> JS: Thank you Scott for going through the outcomes from TPAC - I have worked thru and added to tracker etc
14:24:40 <Joshue108_> I've commented etc
14:25:10 <Joshue108_> s/JS: Thank/JW: Thank
14:25:36 <Joshue108_> JW: Lets do this Async etc on Github etc so we can make progress etc
14:25:49 <Joshue108_> We can come back in two weeks then. Sound ok?
14:25:56 <Joshue108_> SH: Sounds good
14:27:20 <Joshue108_> Lets all look at the issues
14:27:27 <Joshue108_> There is a label in GH that we can use
14:28:04 <Joshue108_> We have had not much comment outside of TPAC
14:28:30 <Joshue108_> If we have issues to discuss, lets do that now?
14:28:50 <Joshue108_> Good progress
14:28:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:31:44 <Joshue108_> JW: We had a good discussion at the WAI CooP Symposium
14:32:02 <Joshue108_> I've circulated the ref to the chatbot a11y paper that was mentioned
14:32:21 <Joshue108_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2021Nov/0031.html
14:32:40 <Joshue108_> Chatbot Accessibility Guidance: A Review and Way Forward.
14:32:45 <Joshue108_> https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-981-16-1781-2_80
14:32:54 <Joshue108_> JW: Discussion?
14:33:12 <Joshue108_> JOC: Would this be a useful reference to include?
14:33:38 <Joshue108_> JW: Not really sure - its more of a lit review - but does highlight issues that we may want to discuss.
14:33:55 <Joshue108_> JOC: You may give a precis of the issues and we could discuss.
14:34:38 <Joshue108_> JW: If you have Springer access..
14:34:43 <Joshue108_> SN: I may do.
14:35:19 <Joshue108_> JW: I'll finish parsing it. They are planning to release more material in December.
14:35:47 <Joshue108_> JS: COGA are actively working on comments
14:38:09 <Joshue108_> JW: <I've been looking at how to transfer repos a la GH>
14:38:42 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:38:42 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:39:27 <Joshue108_> JW: We have had comments from the breakout session
14:39:41 <Joshue108_> Steve N is looking at issues and is starting to comment
14:39:50 <Joshue108_> JW: Co-ordination?
14:40:09 <Joshue108_> SN: A few of these appear to be old issues.
14:40:18 <Joshue108_> Some are process issues and can be closed.
14:40:37 <Joshue108_> There was a bibliography comment - a la W3C style.
14:41:00 <Joshue108_> How you reference a standard etc, journal articles/
14:41:14 <Joshue108_> JW: We have used that in the past - may need to convert refs.
14:41:38 <Joshue108_> SN: Specref - I've looked at it - does it apply to journals
14:41:50 <Joshue108_> <discussion on Specref>
14:44:40 <Joshue108_> JS: Wait a little Steve until we have ported repositories
14:46:07 <Joshue108_> SN: I'll review
14:46:23 <Joshue108_> JS: We can get those into a branch - then we migrate that over to a new repo
14:46:28 <Joshue108_> Like we did with CAPTCHA
14:47:05 <Joshue108_> JS: We can work through the comments etc
14:47:30 <Joshue108_> q?
14:47:36 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:47:36 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:49:18 <Joshue108_> JW: These topics are back on the agenda - we have not had a specific list but we have a general idea - that we got at the joint meeting
14:49:32 <Joshue108_> Anything to say?
14:50:10 <Joshue108_> JS: Yeah, I've told them there will be scrutiny in terms of the task force workstatements
14:50:40 <Joshue108_> Mental health issues were not a part of the original assignment, but that was many years ago.
14:51:05 <Joshue108_> They are not charters to produce deliverables that relate to mental health
14:51:27 <Joshue108_> Not currently in scope - there is an early non-vetted draft.
14:51:56 <Joshue108_> I told them we would get to it, and co-ord with AGWG. Likely Jan.
14:52:16 <Joshue108_> JS: <Gives overview from APA perspective>
14:53:01 <Joshue108_> JW: Understood
14:53:41 <Joshue108_> This TF look forward to discussing when the COGA TF approaches us again.
14:55:34 <Joshue108_> SH: <Discusses dynamic experience of the interactions>
14:56:24 <Joshue108_> q?
14:56:39 <Joshue108_> JW: <Answers q on dynamics>
14:58:15 <Joshue108_> SH: <Doesn't totally agree>
14:59:03 <Joshue108_> q+
14:59:35 <Joshue108_> ack me
15:01:13 <Joshue108_> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/17-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108_
15:01:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:01:45 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, Joshue108_, SteveNoble, scott_h
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15:01:50 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:04:32 <janina> I hear you, but you don't seem to hear me
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