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14:47:34 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:47:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:47:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:47:40 <trackbot> Date: 11 November 2021
14:47:46 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:48:03 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Nov/0020.html
14:48:04 <agendabot> clear agenda
14:48:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
14:48:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
14:48:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
14:48:04 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
14:48:06 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC Fallout
14:48:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Close User-Timing HR issue
14:48:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Security issues in bidi
14:48:13 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
14:48:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:53:42 <addison> present+
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14:58:20 <addison> Regrets+ JcK, Fátima
14:58:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/11-i18n-minutes.html addison
14:58:36 <addison> present+ Fuqiao
15:01:11 <addison> present+ Atsushi
15:01:47 <addison> present+ Richard
15:04:44 <xfq> scribe: xfq
15:04:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:04:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:05:21 <addison> agenda+ EPUB
15:05:43 <addison> agenda+ Manifests (miniapp, webapp)
15:05:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:05:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:06:03 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:07:16 <xfq> addison: 1034, should we add that to the agenda?
15:07:18 <addison> agenda+ awaiting comment resolution: how to handle
15:07:55 <addison> action-1092?
15:07:55 <trackbot> action-1092 -- Addison Phillips to File review approving payment request text plus personal comment on 'may' -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
15:07:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1092
15:07:59 <addison> close action-1092
15:07:59 <trackbot> Closed action-1092.
15:07:59 <xfq> addison: did 1092
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15:08:19 <addison> action-1094?
15:08:19 <trackbot> action-1094 -- Addison Phillips to Start conversation with ecma-402 et al about webidl work -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
15:08:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1094
15:08:32 <xfq> addison: did 1094
15:08:36 <xfq> ... sent an email
15:08:43 <xfq> ...  need to follow up
15:08:58 <xfq> ... until they reply
15:08:59 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:08:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:09:42 <addison> xfq: process 2021, one thing plh mentioned is cleaning TR docs
15:10:14 <addison> ... there is a separate note track, should republish our WDs as DRAFT-NOTE
15:13:48 <xfq> r12a: no need for an action item, we can do it when we @@
15:14:44 <xfq> addison: what's the status of specdev? note or draft?
15:14:54 <xfq> r12a: draft
15:15:14 <xfq> scribe+ addison
15:15:29 <atsushi> `DNOTE`
15:16:02 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:16:02 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:16:11 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
15:16:30 <xfq> addison: no incoming requests
15:16:53 <xfq> ... moving IFT to awaiting comment resolution
15:17:06 <addison> agenda?
15:17:45 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
15:17:45 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Close User-Timing HR issue -- taken up [from agendabot]
15:18:06 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Nov/0016.html
15:18:37 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/user-timing/issues/80
15:18:45 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1392
15:19:07 <xfq> atsushi: they updated the spec
15:19:15 <xfq> ... I think we can close this
15:19:25 <xfq> addison: looks good to me
15:19:30 <xfq> ... any objection?
15:19:59 <xfq> [silence]
15:20:11 <xfq> addison: I'm going to move it to Completed
15:21:07 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/156
15:21:51 <xfq> xfq: ^ we moved Performance Timeline to Completed
15:21:57 <xfq> ... can we close this issue?
15:23:19 <xfq> r12a: this should have been closed when we moved it to Completed
15:23:42 <xfq> addison: i thought he was looking at the needs-resolution issues
15:23:51 <xfq> r12a: I'll close it
15:24:20 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
15:24:20 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- EPUB -- taken up [from addison]
15:24:31 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/1885
15:24:35 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1899/files
15:24:39 <addison> xfq: raised an issue ^^
15:24:49 <addison> ... about their their file name restrictions
15:24:56 <addison> ... might prevent the use of emoji
15:24:57 <xfq> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/epub-specs/1899/da13601...d1c5ad3.html#sec-container-filenames
15:25:00 <addison> ... added some text
15:27:56 <xfq> r12a: there's a whole bunch of variation selectors
15:28:12 <xfq> addison: those are not super common used
15:28:39 <xfq> r12a: Ideographic Variation Selectors
15:29:00 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/1899
15:31:08 <xfq> addison: i could make a case for almost all of them being a problem if you use it in a file name
15:31:46 <xfq> ... we have one block they've excluded because they though they used to be deprecated
15:32:36 <xfq> ... If there is a problem with the system, then we need to fix the reading system or operating system
15:33:19 <xfq> r12a: language tags should be excluded
15:33:28 <xfq> ... there are also Ideographic Variation Selectors
15:36:50 <xfq> addison: I just made a file that contains flag emoji and variation selectors
15:36:58 <xfq> ...  at least on Windows there's no restrictions
15:39:49 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/uniview/?block=Tags
15:40:25 <r12a> https://r12a.github.io/uniview/?block=Variation_selectors_supplement
15:41:28 <xfq> addison: excluding unassigned characters with no block assignment is a no-no
15:41:57 <xfq> ... maybe exclude U+E0001 and U+E007F
15:42:07 <xfq> ... but i don't think file systems care about them
15:42:11 <xfq> ... they're just a bad idea
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15:43:24 <xfq> xfq: I'll comment
15:43:39 <JcK> present+
15:43:46 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 11
15:43:46 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- awaiting comment resolution: how to handle -- taken up [from addison]
15:44:31 <xfq> addison: previously i've gone through the items awaiting comment resolution
15:44:53 <xfq> ... to see the open issues and made a list
15:45:14 <xfq> ... i feel that it's not effective process
15:45:33 <xfq> r12a: partly because @@
15:45:44 <xfq> addison: i can go back and redo it and make a list of issues
15:45:49 <xfq> ... will that be effective?
15:45:56 <r12a> s/@@/we need advanced notice of what will be discussed during the telecon
15:46:12 <xfq> ... we would need to pre-read
15:46:57 <xfq> ... if i see items that can be closed, i'll close and send an email to the list
15:47:14 <xfq> ... assuming we go through and clean up our backlog
15:47:28 <xfq> ... how do we want to handle this going forward?
15:47:37 <xfq> r12a: we had a shepherd
15:48:33 <xfq> ... i keep coming across issues you raised, addison, and i would need you to decide whether you're satisfied with that issue
15:49:12 <xfq> addison: if the item has an owner then at least that owner can come and say can we close that issue
15:51:08 <xfq> addison: a lot of them have owners
15:54:37 <xfq> r12a: @@
15:55:22 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#
15:58:44 <addison> action:richard: go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
15:59:02 <addison> agenda?
16:00:00 <xfq> addison: will reply to Wendy
16:00:49 <addison> Topic: AOB?
16:02:19 <r12a> action:richard to go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
16:02:37 <xfq> action: r12a to go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
16:02:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1095 - Go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-11-18].
16:03:15 <xfq> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/11-i18n-minutes.html xfq
16:49:59 <addison> zakim, bye
16:49:59 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been addison, Fuqiao, Atsushi, Richard, JcK
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