IRC log of i18n on 2021-11-11

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logging to
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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 November 2021
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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14:48:04 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Agenda Review
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agenda+ Action Items
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agenda+ Info Share
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agenda+ RADAR Review
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agenda+ TPAC Fallout
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agenda+ Close User-Timing HR issue
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agenda+ Security issues in bidi
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agenda+ AOB?
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I have made the request to generate addison
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Regrets+ JcK, Fátima
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I have made the request to generate addison
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present+ Fuqiao
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present+ Atsushi
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present+ Richard
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scribe: xfq
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
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agenda+ EPUB
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agenda+ Manifests (miniapp, webapp)
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
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15:07:16 [xfq]
addison: 1034, should we add that to the agenda?
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agenda+ awaiting comment resolution: how to handle
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action-1092 -- Addison Phillips to File review approving payment request text plus personal comment on 'may' -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
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15:07:59 [addison]
close action-1092
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Closed action-1092.
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addison: did 1092
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action-1094 -- Addison Phillips to Start conversation with ecma-402 et al about webidl work -- due 2021-11-11 -- OPEN
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addison: did 1094
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... sent an email
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... need to follow up
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... until they reply
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
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xfq: process 2021, one thing plh mentioned is cleaning TR docs
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... there is a separate note track, should republish our WDs as DRAFT-NOTE
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r12a: no need for an action item, we can do it when we @@
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addison: what's the status of specdev? note or draft?
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r12a: draft
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scribe+ addison
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
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15:16:30 [xfq]
addison: no incoming requests
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... moving IFT to awaiting comment resolution
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zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6 -- Close User-Timing HR issue -- taken up [from agendabot]
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atsushi: they updated the spec
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... I think we can close this
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addison: looks good to me
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... any objection?
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addison: I'm going to move it to Completed
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xfq: ^ we moved Performance Timeline to Completed
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... can we close this issue?
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r12a: this should have been closed when we moved it to Completed
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addison: i thought he was looking at the needs-resolution issues
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r12a: I'll close it
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zakim, take up agendum 9
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agendum 9 -- EPUB -- taken up [from addison]
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xfq: raised an issue ^^
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... about their their file name restrictions
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... might prevent the use of emoji
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15:25:00 [addison]
... added some text
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r12a: there's a whole bunch of variation selectors
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addison: those are not super common used
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r12a: Ideographic Variation Selectors
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addison: i could make a case for almost all of them being a problem if you use it in a file name
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... we have one block they've excluded because they though they used to be deprecated
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... If there is a problem with the system, then we need to fix the reading system or operating system
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r12a: language tags should be excluded
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... there are also Ideographic Variation Selectors
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addison: I just made a file that contains flag emoji and variation selectors
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... at least on Windows there's no restrictions
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addison: excluding unassigned characters with no block assignment is a no-no
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... maybe exclude U+E0001 and U+E007F
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... but i don't think file systems care about them
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... they're just a bad idea
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xfq: I'll comment
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zakim, take up agendum 11
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agendum 11 -- awaiting comment resolution: how to handle -- taken up [from addison]
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addison: previously i've gone through the items awaiting comment resolution
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... to see the open issues and made a list
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... i feel that it's not effective process
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r12a: partly because @@
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addison: i can go back and redo it and make a list of issues
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... will that be effective?
15:45:56 [r12a]
s/@@/we need advanced notice of what will be discussed during the telecon
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... we would need to pre-read
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... if i see items that can be closed, i'll close and send an email to the list
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... assuming we go through and clean up our backlog
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... how do we want to handle this going forward?
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r12a: we had a shepherd
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... i keep coming across issues you raised, addison, and i would need you to decide whether you're satisfied with that issue
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addison: if the item has an owner then at least that owner can come and say can we close that issue
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addison: a lot of them have owners
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r12a: @@
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action:richard: go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
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16:00:00 [xfq]
addison: will reply to Wendy
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Topic: AOB?
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action:richard to go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
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action: r12a to go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs
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Created ACTION-1095 - Go through all issues that are needs-resolution and compare to awaiting comment resolution and create list of unassigned specs [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-11-18].
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate xfq
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been addison, Fuqiao, Atsushi, Richard, JcK
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