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15:04:09 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
15:04:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Cristiano_Aguzzi
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15:05:44 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Sebastian_Kaebisch
15:07:17 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
15:07:31 <kaz> regrets+ McCool
15:07:58 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
15:08:00 <sebastian> topic: review minutes
15:08:09 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-wot-td-minutes.html
15:10:24 <sebastian> any objections?
15:10:30 <sebastian> no
15:11:06 <kaz> topic: updated timeline
15:12:02 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1000/files
15:12:13 <kaz> s/updated timeline/TD roadmap/
15:12:50 <sebastian> there some update for point 0 and added a comment for the review phase which may be take longer then 6month
15:13:22 <sebastian> tomorrow in the Arch call we will decide if we do a 12 month extension of current WG charter
15:13:39 <kaz> q+
15:14:20 <kaz> ack k
15:14:34 <kaz> kaz: I'm OK with the proposed timeline
15:14:55 <kaz> ... but that means we need to check our progress based on this updated timeline every week
15:14:55 <kaz> sk: right
15:15:07 <kaz> ... we should do so at the beginning of the TD calls
15:15:26 <kaz> ... note that we'll keep the 6-month deadline itself
15:16:11 <kaz> (latter 6 months of the extended period to be kept as our margin)
15:16:18 <kaz> ack k
15:16:31 <kaz> i/I'm OK/scribenick: kaz/
15:16:36 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
15:16:56 <sebastian> topic: PR
15:17:47 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
15:18:12 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1239
15:18:26 <kaz> q?
15:18:30 <kaz> q+ Ege
15:18:32 <kaz> ack e
15:18:45 <kaz> i/1239/subtopic: PR 1239/
15:18:51 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
15:19:24 <kaz> s/1239/1239 PR 1239 - Update impl.csv for 2021.10 Plugfest results/
15:19:31 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
15:19:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/10-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:20:47 <kaz> q?
15:20:55 <kaz> qq+ dape
15:20:57 <kaz> q- d
15:21:08 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster
15:21:24 <sebastian> do some discussion about the "impl-" prefix. It seems that all other companies have also to remove it
15:21:35 <kaz> q+
15:24:40 <kaz> q?
15:25:24 <kaz> ack k
15:25:39 <sebastian> Kaz: Michael will give some new introduction how to update the implementation result
15:26:35 <sebastian> decided to merge this PR
15:27:36 <sebastian> next PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1250
15:27:50 <kaz> i/next/subtopic: PR 1250/
15:28:02 <kaz> s/next PR: /-> /
15:28:15 <sebastian> its about some fixes in the JSON Schema
15:28:17 <kaz> s/1250/1250 PR 1250 - Fix JSON Schema issues/
15:28:30 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
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15:31:37 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1260
15:31:46 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1260
15:32:03 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
15:32:21 <sebastian> decide to merge
15:32:28 <kaz> s/1260/1260 PR 1260 - update definition for forms/
15:35:01 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1261
15:35:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1260 PR 1260 - Additional recommendation about the unit usage
15:36:18 <kaz> q?
15:37:18 <sebastian> going to be merged
15:38:33 <sebastian> subtopic: PR 1262
15:38:33 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1262
15:38:39 <kaz> s/subtopic: PR 1262//
15:38:40 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1262
15:38:55 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
15:39:15 <kaz> s/1262/1262 PR 1262 - fix default value link for op/
15:40:58 <sebastian> will be merged
15:41:45 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1250
15:42:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1250 PR 1250 - Fix JSON Schema issues
15:42:24 <sebastian> going to merge
15:43:51 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1263
15:44:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1263 PR 1263 - additional text about TM versioning
15:44:17 <kaz> q+
15:46:08 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/REC-vc-data-model-20211109/#base-context VC 1.1 REC appendix B
15:46:10 <kaz> ack k
15:49:09 <kaz> kaz: regarding the discussion on "versioning" for TM vs TD, the above spec might be helpful
15:49:58 <kaz> ... our approach is different, though
15:50:06 <kaz> i/rega/scribenick: kaz/
15:50:20 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
15:50:34 <sebastian> q?
15:51:25 <kaz> q+ cris
15:51:27 <kaz> ack c
15:57:47 <kaz> (mergded)
15:57:52 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1264
15:58:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1264 PR 1264 - Fix 948
15:58:36 <kaz> sk: would check with McCool before merging this
15:59:46 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1270
16:00:08 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1270 PR 1270 - add tm:submodel entry in relation typ table
16:04:01 <kaz> (merged)
16:04:06 <kaz> subtopic: PR 1271
16:04:33 <dape> q+
16:04:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1271 PR 1271 - fix iri to iri-reference and add further instructions
16:05:46 <dape> ack dape
16:11:42 <Ege> q+
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16:12:12 <kaz> (merged)
16:13:50 <dape> q+
16:13:56 <cris> q+
16:16:10 <sebastian> ack e
16:16:19 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1258
16:16:46 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1258 Issue 1258 - Good Practice for observe property flow
16:19:38 <dape> ack dape
16:21:06 <kaz> i/subtopic:/topic: Issues/
16:30:02 <Ege> q?
16:30:31 <kaz> q+
16:31:02 <cris> ack c
16:31:03 <kaz> ack c
16:31:05 <kaz> ack k
16:31:32 <kaz> kaz: so we'll continue to discuss how to deal with the concrete behavior. right?
16:31:44 <kaz> sk: yes, I'll create a PR for that purpose
16:32:08 <kaz> i/so we/scribenick: kaz/
16:32:15 <kaz> scribenick: cris
16:32:17 <cris> topic: Bindings
16:32:35 <cris> subtopic: binding prefixes
16:32:47 <cris> ege: Cristiano used modbus prefix
16:33:31 <kaz> i|Cris|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/129 PR 129 - General improvements to the modbus ontology and spec files|
16:33:38 <cris> ... for http we are using htv
16:33:59 <cris> ... because some people would confuse http prefix as an URI scheme
16:34:43 <kaz> q?
16:35:08 <cris> ... why did Cristiano use modbus and not mdv?
16:35:19 <cris> ... 120 issue is also reletated
16:36:56 <cris> cris: v at the end is weird
16:38:42 <cris> ... http prefix is it really a problem?
16:38:57 <cris> ... but I would go for a consistent approach
16:39:07 <cris> ege: we can't change htv
16:39:12 <cris> ... is in the TD spec
16:39:27 <cris> dape: you can choose any prefix
16:40:27 <cris> ... not sure how we can solve, but there's definitely confusion around
16:40:41 <cris> ege: we can deprecate htv in TD 2.0
16:41:05 <cris> ... so at the end with the modbus should we go with the full name?
16:42:02 <cris> dape: I would keep htv
16:45:18 <cris> subtopic: FIXME
16:45:53 <cris> ege: I move some orphaned sections to the appendix
16:46:25 <cris> s/FXIME/issue 131/
16:46:26 <kaz> subtopic: PR 131
16:46:36 <cris> ... it is a temporary fix
16:46:41 <kaz> q?
16:46:44 <cris> ... objects?
16:46:54 <cris> s/objects/objections/
16:46:55 <kaz> s/subtopic: PR 131//
16:47:03 <kaz> s/issue 131/PR 131/
16:48:22 <cris> subtopic: PR 138
16:48:39 <cris> ege: fixing broken links with w3c link checker tool
16:49:03 <kaz> i|I move|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/131 - Create orphaned sections|
16:49:39 <kaz> i|fixing|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/138 PR 138 - Fix broken links|
16:50:17 <kaz> q+
16:50:18 <cris> ... now pointing to the architecture document
16:50:50 <cris> kaz: sadly we have to manually fix links right before the publication
16:51:23 <kaz> ack k
16:51:42 <cris> ege: btw also td doc has broken links
16:52:19 <cris> ... created issues on td repo
16:53:09 <kaz> q+
16:53:25 <cris> kaz: ok for merging
16:53:30 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Guide/#Deliverables guide page
16:54:10 <cris> ... editors pleas head to the page above for guidelines about writing spec documents
16:54:36 <kaz> s/... e/kaz: e/
16:54:43 <kaz> s/pleas /please /
16:55:09 <cris> ege: merging 138
16:55:40 <cris> subtopic: Issue 135
16:56:09 <cris> ege: duplicated terms about http
16:56:17 <cris> ... it is both in binding and TD
16:56:32 <cris> ... at least there's no conflicts
16:56:59 <cris> q+
16:57:02 <kaz> ack k
17:00:20 <cris> cris: ok for moving to TD, but maybe change TD table to be equal to our current table
17:01:30 <cris> ... what do we loose if we remove http binding section on the TD
17:01:38 <cris> ege: I'm not sure
17:01:56 <cris> dape: is an introduction text
17:02:58 <cris> ege: I'm going to open an issue on the TD about binding http section
17:03:06 <cris> ... and link
17:03:19 <cris> ege: aob?
17:03:25 <kaz> i|dupli|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/135 Issue 135 - Consider removing section 2.2 HTTP Default Vocabulary Terms|
17:03:29 <cris> ege: adjourned
17:03:52 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
17:03:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/10-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
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