IRC log of rqtf on 2021-11-03
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- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 November 2021
- 12:49:06 [jasonjgw]
- chiar: jasonjgw
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- present+
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- agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
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- agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
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- agenda+ W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications.
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- agenda+ Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web.
- 12:49:18 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ Automotive accessibility.
- 12:49:21 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work.
- 12:49:23 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ RQTF and COGA: potential research topics.
- 12:49:36 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.zakim, list agenda
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- zakim, remove agendum 9
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- agendum 9, Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.zakim, list agenda, dropped
- 12:50:25 [jasonjgw]
- agenda+ Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.
- 12:50:39 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, list agenda
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- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
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- 2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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- 3. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:40 [Zakim]
- 4. W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:41 [Zakim]
- 5. Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:41 [Zakim]
- 6. Automotive accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:42 [Zakim]
- 7. The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:42 [Zakim]
- 8. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:50:42 [Zakim]
- 10. Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:04 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, list agenda
- 12:51:04 [Zakim]
- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:05 [Zakim]
- 2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:05 [Zakim]
- 3. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:05 [Zakim]
- 4. W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:06 [Zakim]
- 5. Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:06 [Zakim]
- 6. Automotive accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:07 [Zakim]
- 7. The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:07 [Zakim]
- 8. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
- 12:51:07 [Zakim]
- 10. Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:05:53 [Joshue108]
- scribe: Joshue108
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- JS: We need a new due date for comments
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- The announcements didn't go out.
- 13:06:30 [Joshue108]
- I suggest a Friday in Dec
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- I suggest both go into Dec
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- JW: Mid to late Dec is that ok?
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- SH: Janina mentioned a Friday
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- JS: We will accept late comments
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- Lets make them both Dec 10th (deadline for comments)
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- JS: We expect comments on the NAUR and remote meetings
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- SH: The feedback has been good thanks.
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- q+
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- SH: Good experience
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- ack me
- 13:09:38 [jasonjgw]
- Josh: will coordinate on messaging/announcements.
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- with Shawn
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- JS: There were minutes on remote meetings.
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- JS: There were back to back COGA issues, and it meant several group meetings were lumped together.
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- JS: I can try to get them
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- JW: When we get that done, we can look at this and discuss revisions
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- SH: Sounds good.
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- JW: We can do that and close out issues as we go.
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- JW: Any other preference?
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- SH: Takes action
- 13:14:01 [janina]
- https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-coga-minutes.html
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- JS: I've got the URI
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- JS: <Discussion on a11y issues with Github>
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- <and Google docs>
- 13:15:36 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:16:02 [Joshue108]
- JW: The meeting on this was a Voice Interface meeting
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- I attended one, and other colleagues were there.
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- There was a chance to socialise the document
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- No comments yet but it was raised and into IRC and minutes
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- JW: There were highlights, interest in a W3C workshop on speech and language interfaces.
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- This has been on the cards for a while, years.
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- Speech backed interfaces offer great potential
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- It was suggested there needs to be a rebalancing
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- There is an active community group
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- I noted the doc, and that it is available for comment.
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- Questions?
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- agenda?
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- JS: Looking at the APA TPAC wiki, it is a good place to gather things.
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- If you want to add that, go for it.
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- JW: We should gather these
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- JS: There are issues with what is supported etc
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:20:59 [Joshue108]
- JW: This was a well attended and productive meeting
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- We have minutes etc and we can extract issues and work on the draft
- 13:21:19 [scott_h]
- present+
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- present+
- 13:21:40 [Joshue108]
- JW: We have some work to do on this.
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- JS: The due date for comments is Friday
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- JW: Steve where would you like to go with the feedback we got?
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- SN: I need to subscribe to issues list
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- JS: We can then create URIs that will show issues
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- JW: From minutes we will extract issues and write issues from them.
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- SN: If you want to review them and ping me - we will work out what to do.
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- JW: Then we will take action to review the draft
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- Next week we are at the WAI CooP project symposium
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- 14 CET
- 13:26:08 [Joshue108]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Shape_the_Future_Symposium_2021
- 13:26:25 [Joshue108]
- JW: So no RQTF meeting next week. Back on the 17th of Nov
- 13:26:40 [Joshue108]
- JS: Then the following week - day before Thanksgiving?
- 13:27:16 [Joshue108]
- JS: I expect that Weds the 24th will not have meetings
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- JS: We can skip it ok
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- present+
- 13:28:11 [Joshue108]
- If we are making good progress then we may not need the meeting time.
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- JW: 17th is the next
- 13:28:54 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:29:27 [Joshue108]
- JW: I've linked to the new process doc
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- Details of what this entails are in the 2021 W3C Process document:
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- https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#memo
- 13:30:02 [Joshue108]
- JW: <Gives overview>
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- Now that process is in place we have discussed using this new process for our docs
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- JS: It would elevate the impact of the document
- 13:31:02 [Joshue108]
- It is only a note at the moment - so the statement is more powerful.
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- A W3C Statement is a Note that has been endorsed by W3C as a whole
- 13:32:01 [Joshue108]
- Cloudflare have interesting research on this, that we could introduce into the document
- 13:33:01 [Joshue108]
- SH: Very happy to help
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- JW: Sounds like a good idea
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- Any concerns?
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- <crickets>
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- JW: Seems like agreement
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- RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status
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- JW: Open issues?
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- JS: No - they should be all responded to.
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- s/RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status/
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- RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status
- 13:36:20 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:37:26 [Joshue108]
- https://www.w3.org/2021/03/media-production-workshop/
- 13:38:43 [jasonjgw]
- Josh: there will be an accessibility-related presentation at the workshop, and a discussion of next steps that will include authoring tool accessibility issues.
- 13:39:18 [jasonjgw]
- Josh: notes the relevance of the Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
- 13:39:27 [Joshue108]
- https://github.com/w3c/media-production-workshop/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Asynchronization
- 13:40:05 [jasonjgw]
- The focus is on media production, hence synchronization issues are not entirely in scope - though some aspects are.
- 13:42:30 [Joshue108]
- JS: We are talking about in the can content
- 13:42:55 [Joshue108]
- So lets start authoring ASL etc, as the HTML spec will support as many as you have translations for
- 13:43:04 [Joshue108]
- Same for descriptions of video
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- q?
- 13:43:23 [Joshue108]
- JS: These descriptions don't always have to be audio
- 13:43:46 [Joshue108]
- Nigel M - has flagged that he has written a library and descriptions can be added just as text
- 13:44:06 [Joshue108]
- This text track can be provided, Nigel could talk about that
- 13:44:21 [Joshue108]
- We have some big opportunity
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- SN: I was looking at the website
- 13:46:45 [Joshue108]
- <co-ordinating involvement>
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- <Gives overview of Sync issues>
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- <Wrangles over time>
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- JW: Janina will take this up in APA
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- JS: Can Raja get involved?
- 13:50:52 [Joshue108]
- We will follow up with him
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- Automotive accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:51:41 [Joshue108]
- JW: This was an interesting meeting
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- Dont recall major actions - if you know any lets discuss
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- Where this hits the UI is the question..
- 13:52:19 [Joshue108]
- How is the question..
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- Can we come back to this?
- 13:52:25 [jasonjgw]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
- 13:52:26 [Joshue108]
- JS: Yes
- 13:53:07 [janina]
- agenda?
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- JW: There were two sessions on this
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- The most relevant outcome was interest in developing a privacy related analysis
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- and the way privacy is impacted (by A11y API development)
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- JS: The outcome seemed to be why are RQTF/ APA not working on this.
- 13:55:44 [Joshue108]
- There are people to recruit Lionel W - has a lot of experience in privacy
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- There are also issues on future directions - there were things that fell into place around the ePub session.
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- Regarding ePub
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- Regarding interleaved communication - there were comments around snipping off features
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- such as multi track recording environments
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- Could be multiple tracks of meta data etc
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- XML, or Next Gen specs for music
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- Could support multiple lines of text
- 13:58:14 [Joshue108]
- <Janina gives further examples of classical music interleaving etc>
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- Why not do this by abstracting the output of music into an ebook (by removing the music)
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- JS: Should I write this up?
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- Next Music XML markup
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- https://www.w3.org/community/music-notation/
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- MUSIC NOTATION COMMUNITY GROUP
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- JS: There is a nexus here.
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- SN: I'm also a part of that.
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- SN: Teaches music at Louisville, Kentucky
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- JOC: Sounds facinating
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, scott_h, Joshue, JPaton
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
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- s/facinating/fascinating
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