IRC log of rqtf on 2021-11-03

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 03 November 2021
12:49:06 [jasonjgw]
chiar: jasonjgw
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present+
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agenda+ Accessibility of remote Meetings.
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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications.
12:49:16 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web.
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agenda+ Automotive accessibility.
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agenda+ The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work.
12:49:23 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ RQTF and COGA: potential research topics.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.zakim, list agenda
12:49:57 [jasonjgw]
zakim, remove agendum 9
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agendum 9, Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.zakim, list agenda, dropped
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agenda+ Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations.
12:50:39 [jasonjgw]
zakim, list agenda
12:50:39 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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1. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
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2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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3. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
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4. W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:41 [Zakim]
5. Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:41 [Zakim]
6. Automotive accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:42 [Zakim]
7. The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:42 [Zakim]
8. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:42 [Zakim]
10. Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:04 [jasonjgw]
zakim, list agenda
12:51:04 [Zakim]
I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
12:51:05 [Zakim]
1. Accessibility of remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:05 [Zakim]
2. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:05 [Zakim]
3. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:05 [Zakim]
4. W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:06 [Zakim]
5. Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:06 [Zakim]
6. Automotive accessibility. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:07 [Zakim]
7. The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. [from jasonjgw]
12:51:07 [Zakim]
8. RQTF and COGA: potential research topics. [from jasonjgw]
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10. Miscellaneous TPAC 2021 observations. [from jasonjgw]
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agenda?
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present+
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present+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Accessibility of remote Meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:05:53 [Joshue108]
scribe: Joshue108
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JS: We need a new due date for comments
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The announcements didn't go out.
13:06:30 [Joshue108]
I suggest a Friday in Dec
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I suggest both go into Dec
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JW: Mid to late Dec is that ok?
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SH: Janina mentioned a Friday
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JS: We will accept late comments
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Lets make them both Dec 10th (deadline for comments)
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JS: We expect comments on the NAUR and remote meetings
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SH: The feedback has been good thanks.
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q+
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SH: Good experience
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ack me
13:09:38 [jasonjgw]
Josh: will coordinate on messaging/announcements.
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with Shawn
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JS: There were minutes on remote meetings.
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JS: There were back to back COGA issues, and it meant several group meetings were lumped together.
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JS: I can try to get them
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JW: When we get that done, we can look at this and discuss revisions
13:12:15 [Joshue108]
SH: Sounds good.
13:12:53 [Joshue108]
JW: We can do that and close out issues as we go.
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JW: Any other preference?
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SH: Takes action
13:14:01 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/2021/10/27-coga-minutes.html
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JS: I've got the URI
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JS: <Discussion on a11y issues with Github>
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<and Google docs>
13:15:36 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:16:02 [Joshue108]
JW: The meeting on this was a Voice Interface meeting
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I attended one, and other colleagues were there.
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There was a chance to socialise the document
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No comments yet but it was raised and into IRC and minutes
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JW: There were highlights, interest in a W3C workshop on speech and language interfaces.
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This has been on the cards for a while, years.
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Speech backed interfaces offer great potential
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It was suggested there needs to be a rebalancing
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There is an active community group
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I noted the doc, and that it is available for comment.
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Questions?
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agenda?
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JS: Looking at the APA TPAC wiki, it is a good place to gather things.
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If you want to add that, go for it.
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JW: We should gather these
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JS: There are issues with what is supported etc
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:20:59 [Joshue108]
JW: This was a well attended and productive meeting
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We have minutes etc and we can extract issues and work on the draft
13:21:19 [scott_h]
present+
13:21:26 [Joshue108]
present+
13:21:40 [Joshue108]
JW: We have some work to do on this.
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JS: The due date for comments is Friday
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JW: Steve where would you like to go with the feedback we got?
13:23:52 [Joshue108]
SN: I need to subscribe to issues list
13:24:28 [Joshue108]
JS: We can then create URIs that will show issues
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JW: From minutes we will extract issues and write issues from them.
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SN: If you want to review them and ping me - we will work out what to do.
13:25:37 [Joshue108]
JW: Then we will take action to review the draft
13:25:52 [Joshue108]
Next week we are at the WAI CooP project symposium
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14 CET
13:26:08 [Joshue108]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Shape_the_Future_Symposium_2021
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JW: So no RQTF meeting next week. Back on the 17th of Nov
13:26:40 [Joshue108]
JS: Then the following week - day before Thanksgiving?
13:27:16 [Joshue108]
JS: I expect that Weds the 24th will not have meetings
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JS: We can skip it ok
13:28:09 [JPaton]
present+
13:28:11 [Joshue108]
If we are making good progress then we may not need the meeting time.
13:28:51 [Joshue108]
JW: 17th is the next
13:28:54 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- W3C Statements: Implications for Task Force publications. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:29:27 [Joshue108]
JW: I've linked to the new process doc
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Details of what this entails are in the 2021 W3C Process document:
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https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#memo
13:30:02 [Joshue108]
JW: <Gives overview>
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Now that process is in place we have discussed using this new process for our docs
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JS: It would elevate the impact of the document
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It is only a note at the moment - so the statement is more powerful.
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A W3C Statement is a Note that has been endorsed by W3C as a whole
13:32:01 [Joshue108]
Cloudflare have interesting research on this, that we could introduce into the document
13:33:01 [Joshue108]
SH: Very happy to help
13:33:22 [Joshue108]
JW: Sounds like a good idea
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Any concerns?
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<crickets>
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JW: Seems like agreement
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RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status
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JW: Open issues?
13:35:42 [Joshue108]
JS: No - they should be all responded to.
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s/RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status/
13:36:18 [Joshue108]
RESOLUTION: RQTF will resume editing Inaccessibility of CAPTCHA with the goal of advancing to W3C statement status
13:36:20 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5 -- Upcoming workshop on professional media production on the Web. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:37:26 [Joshue108]
https://www.w3.org/2021/03/media-production-workshop/
13:38:43 [jasonjgw]
Josh: there will be an accessibility-related presentation at the workshop, and a discussion of next steps that will include authoring tool accessibility issues.
13:39:18 [jasonjgw]
Josh: notes the relevance of the Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
13:39:27 [Joshue108]
https://github.com/w3c/media-production-workshop/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Asynchronization
13:40:05 [jasonjgw]
The focus is on media production, hence synchronization issues are not entirely in scope - though some aspects are.
13:42:30 [Joshue108]
JS: We are talking about in the can content
13:42:55 [Joshue108]
So lets start authoring ASL etc, as the HTML spec will support as many as you have translations for
13:43:04 [Joshue108]
Same for descriptions of video
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q?
13:43:23 [Joshue108]
JS: These descriptions don't always have to be audio
13:43:46 [Joshue108]
Nigel M - has flagged that he has written a library and descriptions can be added just as text
13:44:06 [Joshue108]
This text track can be provided, Nigel could talk about that
13:44:21 [Joshue108]
We have some big opportunity
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SN: I was looking at the website
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<co-ordinating involvement>
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<Gives overview of Sync issues>
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<Wrangles over time>
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JW: Janina will take this up in APA
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JS: Can Raja get involved?
13:50:52 [Joshue108]
We will follow up with him
13:51:25 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 6 -- Automotive accessibility. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:51:41 [Joshue108]
JW: This was an interesting meeting
13:51:54 [Joshue108]
Dont recall major actions - if you know any lets discuss
13:52:14 [Joshue108]
Where this hits the UI is the question..
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How is the question..
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Can we come back to this?
13:52:25 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 7 -- The future of accessibility APIs: possible privacy-related RQTF work. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:52:26 [Joshue108]
JS: Yes
13:53:07 [janina]
agenda?
13:54:02 [Joshue108]
JW: There were two sessions on this
13:54:21 [Joshue108]
The most relevant outcome was interest in developing a privacy related analysis
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and the way privacy is impacted (by A11y API development)
13:55:24 [Joshue108]
JS: The outcome seemed to be why are RQTF/ APA not working on this.
13:55:44 [Joshue108]
There are people to recruit Lionel W - has a lot of experience in privacy
13:56:14 [Joshue108]
There are also issues on future directions - there were things that fell into place around the ePub session.
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Regarding ePub
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Regarding interleaved communication - there were comments around snipping off features
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such as multi track recording environments
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Could be multiple tracks of meta data etc
13:57:31 [Joshue108]
XML, or Next Gen specs for music
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Could support multiple lines of text
13:58:14 [Joshue108]
<Janina gives further examples of classical music interleaving etc>
13:58:48 [Joshue108]
Why not do this by abstracting the output of music into an ebook (by removing the music)
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JS: Should I write this up?
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Next Music XML markup
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https://www.w3.org/community/music-notation/
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MUSIC NOTATION COMMUNITY GROUP
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JS: There is a nexus here.
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SN: I'm also a part of that.
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SN: Teaches music at Louisville, Kentucky
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JOC: Sounds facinating
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, SteveNoble, scott_h, Joshue, JPaton
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/03-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
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s/facinating/fascinating
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/ms/leave
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