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12:03:03 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
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12:06:42 <kaz> chair: Lagally
12:09:37 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
12:10:01 <sebastian> topic: conexxus retail use case
12:10:07 <kaz> q+
12:10:12 <sebastian> ML: there is no PR available yet
12:10:47 <kaz> ack k
12:11:08 <sebastian> MM: they mention in the meeting about some sensors
12:12:11 <McCool> ... doorSensor and allStopButton
12:12:31 <sebastian> there are some description provided here
12:12:32 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/tree/main/USE-CASES/retail
12:13:10 <kaz> ack k
12:13:59 <sebastian> ML: lets review the different retail use cases
12:14:08 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/retail/Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md
12:14:13 <kaz> q+
12:14:24 <sebastian> ML:<shows the All Stop Button use case>
12:14:28 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/retail/Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md
12:14:40 <sebastian> Kaz: do we want to review all of them?
12:15:07 <sebastian> MM: we asked to priories the uc
12:16:09 <sebastian> Kaz: I'm wondering if there are another use cases. We should ask David.
12:16:16 <kaz> s/priories/prioritize/
12:18:00 <sebastian> ML: I'm wondering about the deployment scenario here? Is just a button that is wired to the gateway?
12:18:12 <kaz> s/I'm wondering if there are another use cases. We should ask David./At the end of the vF2F on Oct 26th, David mentioned they would pick a few of the priority use cases based on the discussion, so I'd suggest we wait for their clarification./
12:18:30 <kaz> s/here?/here./
12:19:12 <sebastian> MM: its actually more about monitoring purposes
12:19:27 <kaz> s/clarification./clarification. If we discuss some of the 20 use cases today, there is a possibility David would pick up another one from the 20 use cases in the end./
12:19:40 <kaz> s/its a/it's a/
12:23:23 <sebastian> MM: they have to think about how the orchestration work. You have the status and the button. How to present this to the operator.
12:23:42 <kaz> i|I'm wondering|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/retail/Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md+
12:24:32 <sebastian> ... how does the integration work. What happen with dependencies?
12:25:29 <sebastian> ML: It seems orchestration need to be more considered. Seems to be a new horizontal
12:27:09 <sebastian> q+
12:27:11 <kaz> q+
12:28:03 <McCool> q+
12:28:31 <McCool> q?
12:28:34 <kaz> ack k
12:28:48 <sebastian> Kaz: I asked David to provide some categorizations of the use cases.
12:29:22 <McCool> ack m
12:29:23 <kaz> s/I asked/as I mentioned, during the vF2F on Oct 26 I asked/
12:29:24 <sebastian> MM: there are some connections between Conexxus and Intel
12:30:02 <McCool> mm: and in particular we previously discussed the use of node-red by store owners to set up integrations
12:30:25 <kaz> s/the use cases./the use cases. Probably the updated description should still include orchestration requirements, but we should review the updated use case description next week again. Right?/
12:30:45 <kaz> i/thre are/ml: yes/
12:31:00 <kaz> q?
12:31:03 <kaz> ack seb
12:32:24 <sebastian> I think, there are already orchestration based use cases provided. E.g., the Industry 4.0 use case will also cover this
12:32:56 <sebastian> ML: JS may not perfect for everything. There are security concerns
12:32:57 <kaz> q+
12:34:05 <sebastian> ML: Is the IG charter still open?
12:34:31 <sebastian> Kaz: we have already submitted the draft to W3M
12:34:48 <kaz> s/draft/draft Charter/
12:34:52 <sebastian> ... we can always publish a new Note, is always possible
12:35:13 <kaz> s/we can/but we can/
12:35:33 <kaz> q?
12:36:09 <McCool> q+
12:36:12 <kaz> ack k
12:36:13 <sebastian> Kaz: do we want a dedicated section for orchestration, right?
12:36:23 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ Use Cases document
12:36:48 <kaz> s/for/on requirements for/
12:37:06 <sebastian> ML: yes, who can do this section?
12:37:43 <sebastian> ML: lets create an issue and lets collect the content
12:38:07 <McCool> mm: suggest we just create an issue and have people submit requirements to it; security, accessible user interface, etc.
12:38:08 <kaz> s/lets/let's/
12:38:53 <sebastian> ML: <setup the issue>
12:40:18 <kaz> q+
12:42:26 <kaz> ack mc
12:42:27 <sebastian> Kaz: multi-modal, voice interaction and mini-apps are also related to orchestration
12:42:28 <kaz> ack m
12:42:43 <sebastian> ack k
12:43:38 <sebastian> MM: time based constraints is also important.
12:43:58 <sebastian> s/is/are
12:44:32 <sebastian> ... and state variables, which also important for hysteresis
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12:48:03 <sebastian> ML: Hi David, we just looked into your use case. Checked the stop button
12:48:33 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/blob/main/USE-CASES/retail/Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md Retail-outdoor-allStopButton.md
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12:50:00 <sebastian> ML: I suggest to reserve next week to have detail discussion about the retail use cases
12:50:12 <kaz> i/there are some/ml: yes/
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12:50:43 <sebastian> Dave: Looks good for next week
12:51:01 <sebastian> Kaz: Did we review the minutes from last time?
12:51:13 <sebastian> ML: lets do this quickly
12:51:14 <kaz> i/Did/topic: Minutes
12:51:27 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-uc-minutes.html Sep-28
12:51:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/26-wot-minutes.html#t02 Oct-26
12:53:59 <sebastian> ML: any objections?
12:54:04 <sebastian> no
12:54:37 <sebastian> s/objections/objections for Sep-28
12:57:06 <kaz> q+ to respond
12:57:07 <kaz> ack k
12:57:07 <Zakim> kaz, you wanted to respond
12:59:06 <sebastian> Are there any objections to October 26?
12:59:08 <sebastian> no
13:01:09 <sebastian> is the pdf file from Adam available yet?
13:02:21 <sebastian> ML: I will merge its use case PR about digital microscopes and ping him for the pdf file
13:02:36 <kaz> i/I will/(Lagally will ping Adam; Lagally has uploaded his own slides; Kaz asked David to send his slides to Kaz.)/
13:02:57 <sebastian> ML: any objection on the portable building apps use case?
13:02:57 <kaz> i/I will/topic: Some remaining PRs/
13:02:58 <sebastian> no
13:04:33 <kaz> i|I will merge|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/150 PR 150 - New use case description: digital-microscopes.md|
13:04:42 <kaz> s/its use/Adam's use/
13:05:13 <kaz> i|any obj|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/149 PR 149 - integrating two use cases: "portable building apps" and "cultural spaces"|
13:05:16 <kaz> [adjourned]
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