14:00:07 RRSAgent has joined #wot-discovery 14:00:07 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-irc 14:00:13 regrets+ Christian_Glomb 14:02:33 Mizushima has joined #wot-discovery 14:03:20 McCool has joined #wot-discovery 14:04:10 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/05-wot-minutes.html Day 1 14:05:01 i/https/topic: Minutes review/ 14:05:25 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:08:56 s/Day 1/vF2F Day 1/ 14:09:01 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/18-wot-discovery-minutes.html Oct-18 14:09:18 mm: would like to review the minutes and see the actions 14:09:38 mm: (goes through the vF2F Day 1 minutes) 14:11:25 ... use of fragment identifiers in IDs to resolve "is ID that of TD or of Thing?" 14:11:28 kaz: right 14:11:42 ... we discussed that during the joint meeting with DID on Oct 28 as well 14:11:44 mm: right 14:16:53 ... need to search for the related GitHub issues 14:20:03 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/190#issuecomment-934423247 McCool's comment on ID of TD vs Thing for wot-discovery issue 190 14:20:11 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 14:20:13 ktoumura has joined #wot-discovery 14:22:10 mm: fragment identifiers do NOT address the question of objects which are different versions of a "living" object, nor of expressing the relationships between different versions and the living object. 14:24:39 mm: (goes through the wot-discovery issue 190) 14:24:49 ... the discussion started with @type 14:25:00 ... but related to @id 14:26:47 ... (adds the URL of the issue 190 to the Discovery call wiki agenda) 14:27:10 -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#1_November_2021 Discovery call wiki 14:28:56 mm: think we can't apply this change to the TD 1.1 spec due to the potential uncompatibility 14:29:46 ... (adds comments to the wot-discovery issue 190) 14:30:06 ... unfortunately, I think we want a compatible solution so it can go into the TD 1.1 spec 14:30:41 ... during the F2F (on Oct28, during the T2TRG/DID session) the idea of using "fragment identifiers" on IDs came up 14:31:08 ... I need to think more/research more about this, but this is an outline of my thoughts: 14:31:59 ... 1. extend IDs with a fragment identifier (or maybe a query parameter) providing a "view" identifier. 14:32:14 ... This would distinuish different TDs that refer to the same Things. 14:32:31 ... In this case, dropping the extension gives the IDs of the Thing. 14:32:41 ... With the extension, it's the ID of the TD. 14:33:21 s/1. ex/1. Ex/ 14:34:04 ... For backward compatibility, an ID without an extension would be considered to be the "primary" TD and in a 1:1 relationship with a Thing. 14:34:14 s/For ba/2. For ba/ 14:34:31 ... A thing should only have ONE "primary" TD. 14:35:05 ... 3. Any "derived" TD, e.g., for a proxoy, or for changing the default language, etc., should add an extension to the ID. 14:35:45 ...4. Note this means we can easily add different "views" (different TDs for the same Thing) to a TDD since the IDs will be distinct. 14:35:52 s/...4/... 4/ 14:37:04 ... (adds some examples) 14:39:04 i/adds/... 5. We still have the problem of creating unique extensions. Perhaps extensions could *ALSO* be UUIDs. 14:39:57 kaz: yeah 14:40:06 ... that's fine as the initial starting point 14:40:15 ... but we need to think about how to generate the UUID 14:40:22 ... and how to manage that as well 14:40:54 mm: yeah 14:41:04 ... the question is how to guarantee the uniqueness 14:41:10 kaz: right 14:42:38 mm: anyway, we've capture the problems on this issue 14:42:53 ... let's close the call for today 14:43:09 s/... let's close the call for today// 14:43:36 ... another point for today is Issue 156 14:44:14 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/156 Issue 156 - JSONPath and XPath response data models 14:44:41 mm: maybe Toumura-san might want to describe his use case on this issue 14:44:55 s/maybe // 14:45:17 ... let's continue the discussion by email 14:45:51 https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/156 14:46:07 mm: will add a comment to the issue 156, and let's continue the discussion 14:46:10 s... let's continue the discussion by email// 14:46:20 s/... let's continue the discussion by email// 14:46:33 rrsagent, make log public 14:46:43 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:46:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:47:36 Meeting: WoT Discovery 14:47:39 chair: McCool 14:47:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:47:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:48:13 s|… let's continue the discussion by email|| 14:48:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:48:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:48:27 s|s//|| 14:48:28 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:48:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:48:59 [adjourned] 14:49:01 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:49:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/11/01-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 16:32:31 Zakim has left #wot-discovery 19:07:36 zkis has joined #wot-discovery 20:33:06 zkis has joined #wot-discovery 20:49:35 zkis has joined #wot-discovery 23:51:00 kaz has joined #wot-discovery