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14:05:00 <becky> Joshue108 :  Welcome and introduction
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14:05:56 <becky> Joshue108: using IRC and chat in zoom for questions and discussions. Will start with an introductory presentation followed by open discussion
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14:06:32 <becky> Joshue108: introductions
14:08:43 <becky> Joshue108 : FAST = Framework for Accessible Specification of Technologies - advise tech spec creators how to ensure technology meets needs of users with disabilities;
14:09:25 <Jaunita_George> Can you post the checklist link here?
14:09:38 <becky> Joshue108: FAST components - checklist to aid review of technologies for what is relavent or not to people with disabilities and how well it addresses those needs
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14:10:49 <becky> Joshue108 : goals: provides guidance to tech developers via a list of user needs
14:11:49 <becky> Joshue108 : used for: gap analysis, identify where functional needs and outcomes overlap; matrix to address user needs for emerging tech; creation of new a11y requirements and techniques for WCAG 3
14:13:55 <Joshue108> q?
14:14:35 <becky> Joshue108: working on FAST in functional needs sub-group
14:15:36 <becky> Joshue108 : have been updating comprehensive list of user needs
14:16:02 <becky> Joshue108 : URI to list available within presentation deck
14:16:43 <becky> Joshue108 : discussion around what is a user need; user needs statement format; intersectional needs
14:17:15 <becky> Joshue108 : intersection of user needs between groups is the sweet spot - important to identify those intersections
14:18:28 <becky> Joshue108 : feedback from silver task force noted areas that were missing: mental state, stress, etc.
14:20:12 <becky> Joshue108 : reviews FAST definitions: discusses functional need; intersectional need; user need statement
14:21:39 <becky> Joshue108 : current user need statement draft is: "A statement that describes what a user needs, on a high level, in context with a principle."
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14:22:10 <becky> Joshue108 : reviews matrix methodology
14:25:23 <becky> Joshue108 :  user outcome definition: User functions combined with user needs leads to user outcomes that reduce barriers
14:26:04 <becky> Joshue108 : reviews an example of user need: perceivable
14:26:45 <becky> Joshue108 : and user function: hearing & auditory. Discusses the outcomes
14:27:53 <Joshue108> q?
14:28:02 <becky> Joshue108 : showed example of user needs and functions within rows and columns of excel sheet
14:28:46 <becky> Joshue108 : reviews questions: how to define context?
14:29:13 <becky> Joshue108 : how to deal with high level sets of intersectional outcomes that are identified?
14:29:42 <becky> Joshue108 : how to define a methodology for referency parent/child relationships
14:30:07 <becky> Joshue108 : how to define methodology for gap analysis?
14:30:09 <Jemma> can Josh reexplain the "parent/child" relationship?
14:30:17 <Jemma> I could not hear due to noise
14:31:07 <becky> Joshue108 : request for involvement
14:32:18 <Joshue108> q?
14:32:29 <Jemma> yes, Josh's answer was helpful.
14:33:16 <becky> MichaelC : we want to put all of this content into a database to get inter relations and intersections;
14:34:11 <Jemma> q+ to ask about data structure - matrices vs parent and child relationship - and how this will be used in practice.
14:34:14 <becky> Joshue108 : looking to get feedback on FAST and where people see opportunities for use;
14:34:27 <Joshue108> ack Jemma
14:34:27 <Zakim> Jemma, you wanted to ask about data structure - matrices vs parent and child relationship - and how this will be used in practice.
14:36:02 <becky> jemma: believe parent/child relationship is important but also hear that there are parallel structions. how to solve conflict between hierarchical and matrix based relationships
14:37:30 <becky> Joshue108 : ultimately these things are abstractions - we need to hear how these are reflected in various technologies
14:39:03 <becky> Jake: most important outcomes is to keep the formula clear, clean, simple. Is difficult when have multiple functional needs that vary by time of day, year, circumstances
14:39:28 <tzviya> q+ to ask how this is being used
14:40:14 <becky> jake: looking for more abstract layer of user needs and functional needs - ends up a stacking of user outcomes that vary by situation. We define high level
14:40:45 <becky> Joshue108 : stacking up varying user needs at high level
14:40:52 <Joshue108> ack tzviya
14:40:52 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask how this is being used
14:41:38 <shadi> q+
14:41:45 <becky> tzviya : how is this set of documents being used; checklist looks daunting for a spec. author; what is experience of the checklist being used? Do people know this exisits?
14:42:40 <becky> MichaelC : FAST checklist are foundational materials that have existed; we are using this as a basis for ongoing work. We do plan to update the checklist as we go further.
14:43:00 <becky> Joshue108 : some groups use the existing checklist now
14:43:17 <becky> ack tzviya
14:43:34 <Joshue108> ack Shadi
14:44:14 <becky> shadi: believes there is a UI redesign of the checklist underway to make it easier to use?
14:45:07 <becky> Joshue108 : we did develop a prototype app to make it easier to user; there is a need for tooling
14:46:00 <Jemma> I think the relationship between user needs to funtional needs is one to many.
14:46:07 <Jemma> relationship
14:46:51 <becky> Joshue108 : FAST has many potential uses: gap analysis, need for additional WCAG techniques or success criteria
14:47:15 <Joshue108> q?
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14:47:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/21-fast-minutes.html becky
14:47:51 <Jemma> I would be interested in how this will be applied to actuall wai application.
14:47:55 <Matthew_Atkinson> Thanks Joshue108, MichaelC and all for the overview, looking forward to seeing how this develops.
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14:48:20 <Jemma> Thanks for the presentation, Josh!
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