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13:59:22 <Steven> Meeting: ixml Group Teleconference
13:59:22 <Steven> Date: 12 October 2021
13:59:22 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:59:22 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Oct/0003
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14:03:47 <Tom> Hello Liam
14:11:10 <Steven> Topic: Previous Actions
14:11:44 <Steven> ACTION (2021-08-001): Michael SMq to control the agenda sending.
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14:11:48 <Steven> Done
14:12:02 <Steven> ACTION (2021-08-002):  Steven to upload new version of spec
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14:12:07 <Steven> Done.
14:12:34 <Steven> ACTION (2021-08-003):  Steven to add references to parsing algorithms to spec
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14:12:36 <Steven> Done
14:12:49 <Steven> ACTION (2021-08-004):  Steven to create list of existing requirements, so that we can identify when a new one comes
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14:12:52 <Steven> Continues
14:13:02 <Steven> ACTION (2021-08-005): Tom and MSM to come with a pragma proposal
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14:13:05 <Steven> Continues
14:13:42 <Steven> MSM: We will meet to discuss the pragma proposal
14:13:56 <Steven> Tom: When?
14:14:26 <Steven> ... next week at this time
14:14:35 <Steven> MSM: Sure.
14:15:34 <Steven> Topic: Status of implementations
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14:19:30 <Steven> Steven: Tutorial in progress, with updates to pilot implementation, which now does almost everything.
14:21:54 <Steven> ... Only 32bit software, so I still have to find a solution for macintoshes
14:24:21 <Steven> MSM: I had an older implementation. I've reined in on the regression tests, and proceeded with the parser,. Last night the parser produced its first correct output.
14:24:41 <Steven> ... so getting closer
14:25:29 <Steven> ... the acid test will be ixml.ixml
14:29:12 <Steven> Tom: No progress report, but a status report; I now work for a company who supports me working on ixml for a half day a week.
14:29:54 <Steven> Present: MSM, Tom, Steven
14:30:26 <Steven> Tom: [Describes problems with the code]
14:31:09 <Steven> ... [Too many nested templates]
14:33:22 <Steven> ... people are calling for implementations.
14:34:14 <Steven> ... so I feel a need to produce one
14:39:00 <Steven> Topic: Bug reports / change requests
14:39:12 <Steven> 3.1 done
14:39:17 <Steven> 3.2 done
14:39:29 <Steven> Steven: And closed
14:39:46 <Steven> Topic: Media type conventions for ixml grammars
14:39:58 <Steven> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_type
14:40:13 <Steven> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6838
14:40:24 <Steven> Steven: That is how to create a mediatype
14:40:28 <Steven> ... work
14:41:10 <Steven> ... text/... is ASCII based
14:41:18 <Steven> ... application/... is octet based
14:43:48 <Steven> ... or use x.ixml
14:44:18 <Steven> Tom: Use applicaiton/ixml+xml
14:44:41 <Steven> Steven: We could use application/ixml
14:44:49 <Steven> ... or we could register +ixml
14:45:24 <Steven> ... and then have eg application/css+ixml
14:45:37 <Steven> MSM: And then an x. we can use without registering
14:45:40 <Steven> Steven: Yes
14:46:04 <Steven> MSM: It's nice to have a story about how it fits in to the web
14:46:16 <Steven> ... only helps if people make grammars available
14:46:23 <Steven> ... even so it's good to have.
14:47:15 <Steven> ... If someone gives me a file of type css, I can look up the mediatype to locate an ixml file that matches and use that.
14:47:39 <Steven> ... other things being equal, it would be good to have a section
14:48:01 <Steven> ACTION: Steven draft  a mediatypes section
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14:49:13 <Steven> Topic: Policy on punctuation in the xml serialisation
14:49:30 <Steven> MSM: It messes with indentation behaviour
14:50:02 <Steven> ... I would like a version with all those characters
14:50:43 <Steven> s/with/without/
14:51:50 <Steven> Tom: Keeping them allows you to roundtrip the document.
14:53:12 <Steven> Steven: Who really cares?
14:53:44 <Steven> MSM: We'll come back to it.
14:55:15 <Steven> Topic: Test Suite
14:55:28 <Steven> MSM: Once my parser is running...
14:56:40 <Steven> Topic: Next meeting
14:56:52 <Steven> Tom: Daylight Savings will have ended
14:57:39 <Steven> MSM: Let us move it an hour later.
14:57:46 <Steven> Tom: Agreed
14:58:06 <Steven> Steven: So 1500UTC
15:00:21 <Steven> ADJOURN
15:01:07 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/12-ixml-minutes.html Steven