12:02:45 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:02:45 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-irc 12:02:50 McCool has joined #wot 12:03:12 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Koster 12:03:21 meeting: WoT-IG/WG 12:03:39 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#6_October_2021 12:03:51 present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:04:30 mjk has joined #wot 12:04:49 dape has joined #wot 12:05:02 scribenick: mjk 12:05:16 chair: Sebastian/McCool 12:05:27 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:05:39 topic: minutes review 12:06:17 sk: are there any more agenda items for today? 12:06:38 ... any guests or new members in the call today? 12:06:45 s/minutes review/agenda/ 12:06:53 present+ Philipp_Blum 12:07:18 present+ Michael_Lagally 12:07:35 citrullin has joined #wot 12:07:48 ... Farshid is now invited expert due to change in status 12:08:14 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:08:28 sk: review the minutes 12:09:20 mm: what is the schedule for Netzo on Thursday? 12:09:27 kaz: it was changed 12:10:04 sk: reviewing Open Day schedule for TPAC 12:10:38 mm: there are updates on the schedule we need to discuss later 12:11:31 sk: chartering discussion, moving marketing to enable IG & CG to participate 12:12:33 sk: review discussion about moving other activities into IG/CG 12:12:50 mm: if it's not rec track, we should consider opening it up 12:12:54 rrsagent, make log public 12:12:59 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:12:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:14:07 sk: any more comments, any objections to approve? 12:14:23 ... no objections, good to publish 12:15:24 sk: topic: is the DID workshop cancelled? 12:15:53 i/is the/topic: W3C service outage recovered/ 12:15:54 cris: there wasn't enough interest, so we cancelled it 12:16:26 i/is the/sk: all the services recovered and the minutes from yesterday's meeting are regenerated./ 12:16:55 topic: iot tech expo report out 12:17:23 kaz: WoT was specifically mentioned as an interoperability technology 12:17:40 ... there will be a dedicated interest group to follow up 12:17:41 ryuichi has joined #wot 12:18:07 ... there was good participation across various industry groups and interests 12:18:39 topic: web page 12:18:52 i/is the/kaz: sorry about the inconvenience, and thanks a lot for your note, Ege./ 12:19:22 i/is the DID/topic: DIoT Workshop/ 12:19:29 sk: discussion in the Chairs call to update the events section with the upcoming Open Day and promote our guest participants Netzo, etc. 12:19:35 s/topic: is the DID/is the DIoT/ 12:19:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:19:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:19:51 sk: can we please set up a website update and a twitter announcement? 12:20:08 present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:20:13 dape: I just need the schedule 12:20:55 s/topic: web page/topic: TPAC meetings/ 12:21:01 mm: still waiting for more confirmations, but definitely have Takanaka, Netzo, and Echonet 12:21:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:21:03 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:21:35 q+ 12:22:22 mm: we should announce the ones we have confirmed, including the schedule 12:22:47 ka: guests should contact the Chairs at 12:22:55 mm: how should we handle the invitation and avoid spam? 12:23:07 mm: what about a form? 12:23:22 ... the right way would be a contact form 12:23:49 ege: will make a Google form to collect the email and notify back 12:24:24 kaz: we could use a mailto: link 12:24:39 mm: that might invite spam though 12:25:08 dape: we could put the link to the form on the web page and other places 12:25:40 sk: ok, dape and ege will handle it 12:26:12 topic: WoT JP CG updates 12:26:17 topic: Japan WoT TF update 12:26:24 s/topic: WoT JP CG updates// 12:26:46 mizushima: there are some contacts, I will give a detailed update on the 26th 12:26:58 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:27:22 topic: open day guests, Netzo and Takanaka 12:27:39 sk: Takanaka is in building management 12:27:48 s/Japan WoT TF/WoT Japanese CG/ 12:27:51 topic: testing calls 12:28:10 sk: looking for a volunteer to lead the testing calls 12:28:31 ege: I have volunteered to start after TPAC 12:29:01 topic: TPAC 12:29:03 s/TPAC meetings/TPAC guests/ 12:29:18 sk: review the wiki page 12:29:27 https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f 12:29:42 ... had the first F2F meeting on discovery yesterday 12:30:09 ... review tomorrow's agenda on TD and bindings 12:30:13 s/Takanaka/Takenaka/g 12:30:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:30:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:30:39 i/guests should contact/scribenick: kaz/ 12:30:50 i/how should we handle/scribenick: mjk/ 12:30:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:30:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:30:54 sk: Monday open day presentation by Takenaka 12:31:12 i/all the services reco/scribenick: kaz/ 12:31:28 i/is the DIoT workshop/scribenick: mjk/ 12:31:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:31:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:31:38 mm: most likely we will only have Takenaka on the 11th 12:31:52 sk: Carsten says the 28th will be less rushed 12:32:58 mm: the 11th seems too early for T2TRG, should go for the 28th 12:33:21 sk: moving the content to the 28th on the schedule 12:34:19 sk: second open day on Thursday with 3 presentations: Echonet, Spatial Data, and Netzo 12:34:28 ... then a one week break 12:35:20 ... 26th, 27th, 28th 12:35:23 ... discussion on architecture and profiles 12:35:32 sk: what about security? 12:35:59 mm: we need to extend the 28th by one hour and add a 30 minute security update 12:36:53 sk: can we have the security discussion on Monday 12:37:05 mm: it would conflict with Open Day 12:37:43 sk: we will shift some slots around and try to freeze the schedule ASAP 12:37:51 q? 12:37:54 ... review next week 12:37:57 q- 12:38:21 mm: SDW hasn't confirmed, but we could use the 14th 12:38:37 q+ 12:39:31 kaz: Can we add the MiniApps discussion to the Use Case day? 12:39:35 ack k 12:40:16 mm: we need to add break time to the agenda 12:41:01 https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2021virtual 12:41:02 sk: any more items on TPAC? 12:41:15 sk: please register for TPAC 12:41:37 sk: also remember the AC 12:41:55 cris has joined #wot 12:42:31 topic: any news from ITU-T? 12:42:56 mm: seems like we have an agreement for a meeting but not confirmed yet 12:43:06 ... will nail down soon 12:43:44 topic: liaison meetings 12:43:56 sk: APA is deferred 12:44:11 ... OPC-UA is planned for October 28th 12:44:33 topic: charter discussions 12:44:47 sk: passed IG charter to W3C management 12:44:56 kaz: there is some feedback already 12:45:24 ... 3 editorial points, mm will cover 12:45:54 ... will follow up after the editorial updates 12:46:23 mm: can do the editorial work by the charter meeting on the 28th 12:46:40 sk: let's use the chairs call to review 12:47:16 mm: the WG is a bigger job; there will be new topics and new deliverables 12:47:51 ... collecting new topics for the discussion, additional profiles and bindings? 12:48:49 https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/978 12:49:06 sk: use this issue for the WG charter items 12:49:18 Ege has joined #wot 12:49:21 topic: Smart Cities 12:49:30 sk: official report is available 12:49:47 For the tweet, I wanted to tag Takenaka Corporation. Can someone tell me their Twitter handle? I have found this but it does not look correct: https://twitter.com/takenakacoltd?lang=en 12:49:48 kaz: update the draft charter based on this report 12:50:09 ... pleas all respond to the doodle poll to set a meeting slot 12:50:28 s/pleas/please 12:50:56 sk: is there a candidate to chair the Smart City group? 12:51:14 kaz: there is one candidate, looking for another 12:52:08 topic: testing needed for CR 12:52:30 sk: we need test results for all of the specified features with implementation reports 12:53:17 ... We have TD, also need Architecture, Profile, and Discovery 12:53:43 ml: Architecture will not have an implementation report of its own 12:54:35 mm: Architecture report could be a summary report from the others, and there may be some assertions to implement in the Architecture spec. 12:55:03 mm: TD still needs a little work 12:55:17 ... need to update implementation descriptions 12:55:32 ... need to create an issue to drive 12:56:14 ... everything for Architecture should already be in the TD spec 12:56:24 sk: what about Profiles and Discovery 12:56:54 mm: Toumura-san has created a document for Discovery 12:57:07 ... next we need to create a test suite 12:57:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:57:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:57:39 ... nothing yet on Profiles, will definitely have assertions but may be all manual assertions 12:58:01 q? 12:58:06 q+ lagally 12:58:37 ml: need to discuss some details still on the next call 12:58:53 ack la 12:59:03 q+ 12:59:29 mm: we need to ask if everything is already in the TD spec and what additional tests will be needed for device behavior 12:59:55 sk: profile is a subset of TD with additional constraints so may be combine profile in TD 13:00:10 mm: but can't assume the current tests will cover profiles 13:00:33 q+ 13:00:46 mm: there are more rules that will need more tests 13:01:08 ... also need to look at TM testing 13:01:42 ml: profile has additional behaviors like error reporting 13:02:11 mm: what parts of the additional behaviors need TD tests? 13:02:16 sk: time check 13:02:58 kaz: we need to think about content across all of our documents, what goes in which 13:03:11 mm: let's discuss in the editors call 13:03:21 Joshue108 has joined #wot 13:03:36 ml: make sure we get everyone invited 13:03:47 sk: any other business? 13:03:49 s/in which/in which in order to avoid possible confusion and overlap between specs and testing effort./ 13:03:54 ack k 13:04:13 ege: we do need testing for profiles, don't underestimate 13:04:34 ege: need to get out invitations for TPAC 13:04:41 mm: will do that now 13:04:53 mm: testing call at 10 mins after the hour 13:05:15 sk: adjourned and will keep the Webex open 13:05:16 https://twitter.com/W3C_WoT/status/1445736880679501829 13:05:29 [main call adjourned; Plugfst/Test call in 5 mins] 13:07:50 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:07:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/06-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:09:44 oh I never knew :^) 13:11:56 Mizushima has left #wot 13:37:24 ktoumura has left #wot 15:23:01 Zakim has left #wot 16:14:01 csarven has joined #wot