11:56:51 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:56:51 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/05-wot-irc 11:57:46 cris has joined #wot 11:57:55 meeting: WoT-IG/WG vF2F in October, 2021 - Day 1 11:58:39 acimmino has joined #wot 11:59:36 McCool has joined #wot 11:59:42 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool 12:02:33 Ege has joined #wot 12:02:37 present+ Andrea_Cimmino 12:03:10 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Farshid_Tavakoilzadeh 12:03:25 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:03:27 dape has joined #wot 12:04:01 mjk has joined #wot 12:04:53 FarshidT has joined #wot 12:04:57 The wiki seems offline. Does someone have the webex coordinate? 12:05:12 I'm getting a 503 12:05:37 mjk yes, we know 12:06:06 ... technical problems, fortunately we don't need it... unless you need the webex? 12:06:16 yes, I need the webex 12:06:21 thx 12:06:28 I will post the webex link here... 12:06:40 "/me private" 12:06:44 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:07:11 present+ Fady_Salama 12:07:19 please use the above webex link 12:07:20 present+ Christian_Glomb 12:07:48 present+ Klaus_Hartke, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster 12:07:54 rrsagent, make log public 12:08:00 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:08:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:09:12 fady has joined #wot 12:09:16 Topic: Agenda 12:09:24 scribenick: Ege 12:10:12 glomb has joined #wot 12:10:47 https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/PRESENTATIONS/2021-10-online-f2f 12:11:51 mm: please finalize open day schedules 12:14:07 ... I have issues labeled in a certain way and we will discuss these today and reach resolutions 12:14:50 ... please upload presentations beforehand to the link above 12:15:19 please use the above webex link; wiki and email archive are down 12:17:13 ... many editorial changes from last editor's draft 12:17:45 ... we have dealt with anonymous TDs, i.e. TDs with no ids 12:18:45 ... for extension to other protocols, we have done JSON based pagination as well. Not clear about long TDs yet 12:19:47 ... and also worked on the event api 12:20:58 ... we have labeled issues, for example with 2021-10 F2F 12:21:49 ... in order to raise awareness for the issues and get input from the group 12:23:06 ... Issue 224 12:23:22 ... use of @type. should it be mandatory 12:23:44 ... it is important for shacl validation or in the future having TMs in the TDDs 12:24:02 rrsagent, make log public 12:24:57 ... we will discuss in detail later 12:25:19 ... also issue 209 12:26:05 ... issue 208 for read only TDDs 12:26:30 ...issue 190 regarding the id field in the TD field 12:27:39 ... is it the Thing id or TD id 12:28:00 ... issue 156. what do we do about jsonpath being a draft in ietf 12:29:15 ... issue 150 about defining error types 12:29:23 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:29:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:30:18 Topic: Issue 208 12:31:19 q+ 12:31:23 q+ 12:32:21 ft: currently the spec is for read and write and this is about having a directory that can be only read 12:32:51 q? 12:32:55 ack c 12:33:05 q+ FarshidT 12:33:32 ca: in nodewot and webthings we have this issue 12:33:32 ack e 12:34:12 ... it is not a permission issue 12:35:34 q+ 12:35:42 ack f 12:35:49 ack c 12:35:51 ft: we should take a step back 12:36:35 ... should we specify this in the spec, it is just a subset 12:37:08 q+ 12:37:17 q+ 12:37:36 present- Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:37:44 mm: oauth scope should be used 12:37:53 present- Michael_Lagally 12:38:11 present- Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:39:40 ft: this will make things complicated, having different classes etc. 12:40:04 Chair: McCool 12:40:56 presetn+ Ryuichi_Matsukura 12:41:18 q+ conformance classes 12:41:36 ack conformance 12:41:41 ek: I think we don't need oauth necessarily. security on the form level is good enough ? 12:41:42 ack classes 12:41:49 i/Issue 224/topic: Issue 224/ 12:41:50 q+ to conformance classes 12:41:53 q? 12:41:57 ack ege 12:42:06 qq+ FarshidT 12:42:17 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:42:49 s/topic: Issue 224// 12:43:56 ek: also, do we want to make 3 non-safe simply optional, meaning that someone can make read+delete directory? should we have types? 12:44:00 i|currently the spec is|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/208 Read-Only Directories #208| 12:44:02 q? 12:44:06 ack f 12:44:06 FarshidT, you wanted to react to Ege 12:44:08 ack c 12:44:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:44:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/05-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:45:32 q? 12:45:37 qq+ FarshidT 12:45:58 ack f 12:45:58 FarshidT, you wanted to react to cris 12:46:49 present+ Marcus_Schmidt 12:47:48 ack dape 12:47:48 dape, you wanted to conformance classes 12:48:30 dp: everything optional menas that there will be different TDD TDs to read and understand for consumers 12:51:06 q+ mjk 12:51:08 ack m 12:51:57 ca: also about JSON Path, why is it mandatory 12:52:54 mm: having it makes the consumer easier, not having makes the consumer more advanced 12:53:30 q+ 12:54:21 Ege_ has joined #wot 12:54:28 qq+ FarshidT 12:54:31 ack f 12:54:31 FarshidT, you wanted to react to mjk 12:54:49 ack e 12:56:21 q+ 13:00:23 ek: what does a TDD implementor that doesn't implement all the features do? 13:00:34 mm: its TD will not have all the affordances 13:00:59 @Kaz my nickname should be changed to Ege_ for the scribe list 13:01:23 ek: but that means that I need to look at every TDD TD I get, even if it is full compliant 13:03:45 mm: we can have an array of @type that lists the capabilities of the directory 13:06:40 benfrancis has joined #wot 13:06:41 Ege_ has joined #wot 13:06:41 glomb has joined #wot 13:06:41 fady has joined #wot 13:06:41 Mizushima has joined #wot 13:06:41 FarshidT has joined #wot 13:06:41 mjk has joined #wot 13:06:41 dape has joined #wot 13:06:41 McCool has joined #wot 13:06:41 acimmino has joined #wot 13:06:41 cris has joined #wot 13:06:41 ryuichi has joined #wot 13:06:41 ktoumura has joined #wot 13:06:41 asocrt has joined #wot 13:06:41 etropea73101 has joined #wot 13:06:41 misalias_ has joined #wot 13:06:41 bigbluehat has joined #wot 13:06:41 hadleybeeman has joined #wot 13:06:41 rzr has joined #wot 13:06:41 manu has joined #wot 13:06:41 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