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13:13:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
13:13:49 <trackbot> Date: 04 October 2021
13:13:58 <Sharon> agenda?
13:14:17 <Sharon> zakim, clear agenda
13:14:17 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:14:31 <Sharon> chair: sharon
13:16:30 <Sharon> agenda+ Follow-up on i18n issue #144 actions https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144
13:16:49 <Sharon> agenda+ TPAC scheduling and breakout session filed with APA by Lionel https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:17:00 <Sharon> agenda+  Progress on the Personalization deck for TPAC (Matt)
13:17:12 <Sharon> agenda+  CR template status Waiting for the SAUR example (Roy)
13:18:49 <Sharon> agenda+  John's harmonization of Modules 2.0 and 3.0 https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/198
13:18:57 <Sharon> agenda?
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13:56:56 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:56:56 <Zakim> Present: janina, Matthew_Atkinson, CharlesL, JF, Roy
13:56:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, RRSAgent, Sharon, MichaelC, Zakim, hadleybeeman, trackbot
13:57:12 <janina> present+
13:57:16 <janina> agenda?
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14:01:22 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
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14:01:51 <JF> Present+
14:02:31 <JF> agenda?
14:02:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:02:48 <JF> Q+
14:02:51 <becky> present+
14:04:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Have completed re-structuring and layout of 2.0 and 3.0
14:04:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:04:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Follow-up on i18n issue #144 actions https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:04:38 <becky> ack, jf
14:05:29 <Sharon> q?
14:05:36 <Sharon> ack JF
14:06:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Charles agreed to create an epub with Alice in Wonderland's first paragraph
14:06:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... He will then recruit Steve to mark this up with suitable symbols.
14:07:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Janina will reach out to Steve.
14:07:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Then we need the same paragraph in Hebrew for RTL
14:08:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I reached out to the RTL symbol community, no responses yet.
14:08:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: 	Matt will share an example of symbols on the samples page
14:09:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: I was prioritizing TPAC work
14:09:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... THinking out loud, I will have to inject images as well.
14:09:40 <janina> q+
14:10:01 <Sharon> ack janina
14:10:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The sample will support the presentation
14:10:18 <janina> ack jan
14:10:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: A sample with symbols would really help, particularly if we show RTL and LTR
14:11:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next item
14:11:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC scheduling and breakout session filed with APA by Lionel https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:11:38 <Sharon> q?
14:12:28 <janina> q+
14:12:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lisa: Suspects there are some confusions in the COGA/Personalization meeting.
14:13:07 <Sharon> q?
14:13:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... A focus at TPAC will be, regarding what organization will be behind our work
14:13:22 <Sharon> ack janina
14:13:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if there is something that APA wants COGA to review before TPAC, APA should clarify that ASAP
14:13:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Agree, David may have miscommunicated what happened in APA
14:14:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... We will be looking somewhat at modules 2 and 3, stylistically
14:14:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Unfortunately the TPAC meeting is still not scheduled
14:14:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are open to talking about whatever COGA wants to know. Could focus on module 2, 2&3, whatever feels right
14:15:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Rain and janina did agree to schedule the COGA call at 9am, and there was a good conversation last week,
14:15:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this call will also occur tmw
14:16:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Should Personalization co-facilitators attend?
14:16:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Probably not necessary.
14:16:52 <Sharon> q?
14:18:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: COGA has raised a page showing that it is getting ready for these meetings
14:19:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I am blocked Wed evening and Thursday morning EST (red eye)
14:20:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: ... the 19th -- 20th
14:21:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: COGA is sending a message to the broader W3C: If you want your specification to meet COGA needs, then pay attention to
14:22:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... content useable, with a focus on User Needs and User Stories
14:22:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... for example Web Authentication needs this
14:22:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... meeting COGA's outlined User Needs and User Stories makes your specification more robust
14:24:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Web Authentication had a productive meeting in Lisbon
14:24:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the spec itself was not an impediment, since it contained no UI/UX
14:26:00 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:27:32 <Sharon> ack LisaSeemanKest
14:29:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: My proposal to go on this page, https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/SessionIdeas
14:32:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:32:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Progress on the Personalization deck for TPAC (Matt) -- taken up [from Sharon]
14:33:07 <Matthew_Atkinson> Latest in the PR: https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/pull/199
14:34:29 <LisaSeemanKest> Q+
14:35:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Shared his draft and discussed his reasoning behind the draft.
14:35:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:36:13 <becky> q+
14:36:23 <Sharon> ack LisaSeemanKest
14:36:51 <janina> q+
14:37:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: I would highlight more the AAC-dependent user's experience, where they cannot even speak one to another, if the other users different symbols
14:39:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> ...  Dyscalculia is another good example, they do not know if 90% is a lot or a little
14:39:15 <Sharon> q?
14:39:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Cognitive Load: I want important features. I want more features now, because I am ready...
14:40:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... supporting people who are under stress
14:40:20 <Sharon> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:41:45 <Sharon> ack becky
14:42:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The paragraph on the yoga teacher is meant to be read, like an audio book. But presentations are a matter of style.
14:42:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: The Yoga teacher slide's purpose in that location is not clear
14:42:29 <Sharon> ack janina
14:43:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Our goal is to get implementations. If we don't get implementations, we fail.
14:43:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... It goes beyond browsers. We need someone to build this into their TV sets
14:44:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... also the ability to communicate in the language you know is important. The ability to express in symbols, and the ability to translate between symbols, is very new and important
14:44:59 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+
14:45:50 <Sharon> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:46:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Am planning to add the people with a large symbol vocabulary are prevented from communicating with one another
14:46:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:47:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... also planning to add the element level semantics
14:47:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... like the emphasis on communication. Note that the futuristic inventions in Star Trek involving communication, such as the universal translator and the pocket communicator, have actually been built
14:47:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... what is the duration?
14:48:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... is this the same preso for breakout and COGA?
14:50:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Structure the deck as topics to return to in the discussion
14:50:23 <Sharon> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:51:47 <janina> Q+
14:52:13 <Sharon> ack janina
14:52:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I propose naming a section, "Empathy Section" to deepen the audiences understanding of the need
14:52:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Who's not on the web yet and why?
14:52:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... is it possible that we're making it in such a way that prevents them from being on the web?
14:54:38 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:55:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The curb cut effect. Symbols will be so useful in the future.
14:55:09 <Sharon> ack LisaSeemanKest
14:55:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: If you are going to everybody, then you may want to speak about mental health crises. Everyone has a time when they function less well
14:55:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... times of stress
14:55:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... everyone in the last year had a COGA crisis where they could not focus, could not really do their job
14:56:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: I'm hesitant to add that part, it feels too much.
14:56:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the central message: we need implementations of module 1
14:56:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... symbols
14:56:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... communication
14:56:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... mental health is a bit too immature for a prime time message, it's barely ready for "Content Useable"
14:57:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: I will continue to update.
14:58:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... is there a new TPAC 2021 theme?
14:58:50 <LisaSeemanKest> i need to drop off
15:01:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
15:01:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Matthew_Atkinson, CharlesL, JF, Roy, becky, mike_beganyi
15:01:27 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/04-personalization-minutes.html Zakim
15:01:31 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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