13:00:18 RRSAgent has joined #silver-protocols 13:00:18 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/01-silver-protocols-irc 13:00:30 zakim, start this meeting 13:00:30 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:00:31 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JF 13:00:48 meeting: Silver Protocols Sub-Group 13:03:39 JakeAbma has joined #silver-protocols 13:06:28 Present+ 13:07:16 present+ 13:07:36 GreggVan has joined #silver-protocols 13:08:00 Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/index.php?title=Protocols&action=submit 13:11:15 jenniferS has joined #silver-protocols 13:11:20 present+ 13:14:55 We should define what we believe our goals will be 13:15:34 Define problems, identify constraints, determine objective 13:23:42 What about this? https://www.va.gov/web/standards/accessibility.cfm 13:24:15 discussion around VPATs and Protocols - language of VPATs "wiggle room" 13:26:26 VPATs moved the ball forward, but also left gaps for entities to be realistic 13:29:15 Gregg: there is a benefit to not making things too rigid 13:29:34 https://www.itic.org/policy/accessibility/vpat for reference 13:31:03 q+ 13:32:31 Jenn: maybe go back to the spirit of what a VPAT *should* be doing 13:33:14 s/Jenn/jenniferS 13:33:46 yes! 13:33:53 Think about our users. :) 13:34:28 Jake: outside of the US, don't know of any country that uses VPATs 13:34:36 "VPAT 2.4 EU: EN 301 549 – the European Union’s “Accessibility requirements suitable for public procurement of ICT products and services in Europe”" 13:34:37 but we can aim for... something 13:35:58 Jake: maybe take a step back... a document, like an Accessibility Statement. Concern that in the EU, different countries would use different reporting documents 13:36:51 Jake: distinction - VPATs are 'conformance', but we could also have a report that speaks to goals and achievements 13:37:18 Agreed. Stating what you are aligning with. Love the idea of accessibility statement. Anything where a service conveys their intention. 13:38:02 Jake: drawing comparisons to maturity models 13:39:29 q? 13:40:19 ack j 13:43:48 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2016/2102/oj 13:43:50 By end of next week's meeting, arrive at a working definition of what is meant by a Protocol. 13:45:17 Jake: I like the idea of Protocols, but what protocols? We do not have any kind of list or examples 13:53:12 Jake: I believe that we should present a fixed set of protocols with use-cases + examples 13:56:16 Could WCAG have a "certified list" of protocols, and a process for submitting for review? 14:00:20 Open question Jennifer 14:01:40 Jake: including design principles 14:05:06 jenniferS: even disability is hard to define 14:05:49 this is why I use the word "consideration" - it reduces stigma 14:06:37 hope that protocols can address the measurable/testable/repeatable 14:07:16 but we also need a way to pose meaningful questions to evaluate when not M/T/R 14:07:51 questions that give a way of determining impact 14:09:01 jenniferS: empathize with users - protocols help others to imagine that 14:11:59 jenniferS has left #silver-protocols 14:22:12 zakim, end this meeting 14:22:12 As of this point the attendees have been JF, JakeAbma, jenniferS 14:22:13 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:22:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/01-silver-protocols-minutes.html Zakim 14:22:17 I am happy to have been of service, JF; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:22:21 Zakim has left #silver-protocols 14:42:25 JF has left #silver-protocols