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12:53:56 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testfest - Day 4
12:57:20 <kaz> chair: McCool
12:57:25 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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13:02:19 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
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13:02:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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13:02:28 <kaz> rrsagent, who is on the call?
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13:02:41 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
13:02:41 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Van_Cu_Pham, Michael_Koster, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:03:18 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
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13:04:49 <kaz> present+ Phiipp_Blum
13:05:05 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_30.09.2021
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13:06:27 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:06:33 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:06:54 <kaz> topic: Preliminary
13:06:58 <kaz> mm: no new guests
13:07:04 <kaz> ... or no logistics updates
13:07:06 <kaz> topic: PRs
13:07:15 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann
13:07:20 <kaz> subtopic: PR 176
13:07:54 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/176 fix contentType & type #176
13:09:01 <kaz> mm: wondering if it's OK to include extra space within the contentType string
13:09:11 <kaz> kaz: don't think it's correct
13:09:19 <kaz> mk: don't think so either
13:09:38 <kaz> mm: merge the PR itself
13:09:40 <kaz> (merged)
13:09:57 <kaz> subtopic: any additional PRs?
13:10:11 <kaz> mm: anybody still planning to provide new PRs?
13:10:27 <kaz> ... TDs will be stored at the Directory automatically
13:10:39 <kaz> ... would like to merge any valid PRs
13:11:05 <kaz> ... tomorrow, we need to use the time to check the status and wrap it up
13:11:48 <kaz> kaz: what about our remaining PR 165?
13:11:53 <kaz> mm: would visit issues first
13:11:56 <kaz> topic: Issues
13:12:15 <kaz> mm: add label of "plugfest202109"
13:12:23 <kaz> topic: PRs - revisited
13:12:28 <kaz> subtopic: PR 165
13:12:48 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/165 Updates to Intel TDs #165
13:13:14 <kaz> mm: possible virtual device for geolocation
13:13:23 <kaz> ... manual geolocation data this time
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13:14:14 <kaz> ... don't have actual ontology yet
13:14:30 <kaz> ... need to do that at some point
13:15:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/165#issue-1009704324 goes through the check points on the Issue 165
13:16:08 <kaz> mm: interesting validation issues
13:16:25 <kaz> ... for multi language support
13:16:49 <kaz> ... duplicated English title within the titles entry
13:17:21 <kaz> ... also about explicit readproperty op in geolocator
13:17:35 <kaz> ek: one of your form has writeproperty?
13:17:40 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:17:56 <kaz> ... the default setting may be confusing
13:18:05 <kaz> ... getting warning is useful
13:18:08 <kaz> q?
13:18:41 <kaz> mm: (briefly shows some of the files changed)
13:18:50 <kaz> ... would merge the PR
13:18:59 <kaz> ... any objections?
13:19:09 <kaz> (merged)
13:20:13 <kaz> mm: (shows TDs under TD/TDs/Intel/)
13:20:38 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TDs/Intel/intel-speak.td.jsonld
13:21:22 <kaz> mm: what about a dynamic device?
13:21:35 <kaz> ... (shows TD for a camera)
13:21:40 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TDs/Intel/intel-camera.td.jsonld
13:21:53 <kaz> mm: (and then geolocator)
13:22:11 <kaz> q+ Ege
13:22:13 <kaz> ack e
13:22:21 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TDs/Intel/intel-geolocator.td.jsonld
13:22:37 <kaz> mm: not actually reading the property data itself
13:22:43 <kaz> ... kind of awkward too
13:23:04 <kaz> ... don't want to give actual URI
13:23:31 <kaz> (discussion on how to deal with the URI)
13:24:15 <kaz> currently, the camera TD has [[             "href": "https://portal.mmccool.net:8100/api/location", ]]
13:24:38 <kaz> mm: guess we need a different pointing mechanism
13:24:49 <kaz> q+
13:25:37 <kaz> mk: also something to tell the format
13:25:55 <kaz> mm: idea here is having an ontology for geolocation information
13:26:03 <kaz> ... that's not a problem
13:26:31 <kaz> kaz: some kind of alias mechanism?
13:26:38 <kaz> mm: pointer mechanism
13:26:52 <kaz> ... to deal with how many hops to go
13:27:03 <kaz> ack k
13:27:05 <kaz> q+
13:27:39 <kaz> mm: let's think about a vehicle moving
13:27:53 <Ege> q+
13:28:13 <kaz> ... devices are self-describing
13:29:07 <kaz> kaz: can understand the need for use cases but adding that capability to TD itself would be overkill
13:29:22 <kaz> ... that's rather a capability for handling mobile network mesh
13:29:28 <kaz> ... and IoT discovery itself
13:29:30 <kaz> ack k
13:29:41 <kaz> ... we can create an Issue for that, though
13:29:43 <kaz> ack
13:29:48 <kaz> s/ack//
13:29:49 <kaz> ack e
13:30:19 <kaz> ek: similar issue with robot use case as well
13:30:28 <kaz> ... so this is a bigger issue
13:30:54 <kaz> q+
13:31:25 <kaz> kaz: you can create an Issue with  a label of "finding", etc.
13:31:31 <Ege> I need to leave early today. bye :)
13:31:31 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:31:39 <kaz> (Ege leaves)
13:31:51 <kaz> s/I need to leave early today. bye :)//
13:32:32 <kaz> mm: (creates a new Issue)
13:32:34 <mjk> q?
13:33:04 <kaz> ack k
13:33:20 <kaz> s/creates a new Issue/add comments to Issue 167/
13:33:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:33:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:33:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:34:23 <kaz> mk: OneDM uses fragment identifier
13:35:05 <kaz> mm: ok
13:35:15 <kaz> ... would like to create some more fake devices
13:35:26 <kaz> ... to handle geolocation queries
13:35:45 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/167 Project (2021-09 Plugfest): Geolocation #167
13:36:03 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/167#issuecomment-931328731 new comments
13:37:30 <kaz> mm: (shows intel-speak.td.jsonld)
13:37:31 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TDs/Intel/intel-speak.td.jsonld
13:37:49 <kaz> mm: what does the "accuracy" mean?
13:38:09 <kaz> q+
13:38:25 <kaz> ... basically the radius of 5m here
13:39:02 <kaz> kaz: you're thinking about 2D positioning here given just using langitude and latitude
13:39:13 <kaz> ... but possibly we could care about 3D positioning
13:39:16 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:39:42 <kaz> ... looked at the API within mobiles
13:40:23 <kaz> ack k
13:40:33 <kaz> ... should talk about the geospatial guys
13:40:40 <kaz> q+
13:41:09 <kaz> kaz: also the DAS WG guys, e.g., Anssi
13:41:12 <kaz> ack k
13:41:21 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:41:46 <kaz> ... maybe we might want to create a dedicated repo for this direction, e.g., wot-geo, like we did for wot-ejs
13:41:57 <kaz> q?
13:42:08 <kaz> mk: can assume GPS system?
13:42:21 <kaz> ... or various possible mechanisms too?
13:42:23 <kaz> mm: yeah
13:43:13 <kaz> q+
13:44:37 <kaz> kaz: if we assume the geolocation api, we can't tell the method beforehand
13:44:49 <kaz> ... the device will decide which method to get the best result
13:45:01 <kaz> ... and we can tell that based on the response from the device
13:45:53 <kaz> ... so we should think about the response from the device as well because it could include some important information about the method
13:45:56 <kaz> mm: riht
13:46:02 <kaz> s/riht/right/
13:46:49 <kaz> ... note here (after "position") is "altitude" which specify the 3D position
13:47:05 <kaz> ... anyway would like to continue discussion with geo guys
13:47:39 <kaz> @@@ wot-discovery/roposals/geolocation.md
13:47:44 <kaz> s/rop/prop/
13:48:26 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/blob/main/proposals/geolocation.md
13:48:45 <kaz> mm: my idea is making that MD a separate Note
13:49:43 <kaz> q?
13:49:44 <kaz> ack k
13:50:15 <kaz> s|@@@ wot-discovery/proposals/geolocation.md||
13:50:26 <kaz> mm: heading would be a simple version of orientation
13:50:31 <kaz> q+
13:50:56 <kaz> kaz: btw, we just have 10 more minutes
13:51:05 <kaz> ... so let's talk about projects to be checked tomorrow
13:51:09 <kaz> mm: right
13:51:15 <kaz> topic: Projects to be checked
13:51:48 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/174 Interop Testing (2021-09) #174
13:52:04 <kaz> kt: checked the connectivity with the NHK devices
13:52:27 <kaz> mm: (adds that to the Issue as a comment)
13:52:48 <kaz> ... any other things expected by tomorrow?
13:53:12 <kaz> ... wondering about Philipp's RIoT OS device
13:53:30 <kaz> jr: some issue with network connection
13:54:00 <kaz> q?
13:54:04 <kaz> q-
13:54:18 <kaz> ... Philipp has created some tutorial, though
13:54:40 <kaz> q+
13:55:06 <kaz> ack k
13:55:24 <kaz> kaz: thought Philipp was interested in using mobile network instead
13:55:36 <kaz> ... so we can ask him about that direction as well
13:55:42 <kaz> jr: can ask him about taht
13:55:45 <kaz> s/taht/that/
13:56:13 <kaz> mm: maybe somebody could help them set up the configuration
13:56:47 <kaz> ... e.g., TUM or Unibo?
13:57:07 <kaz> ... would be good test of tutorial instructions too
13:57:52 <kaz> ... issue noted with node-wot
13:58:09 <kaz> ... old CoAP library can't handle TD...
13:58:31 <kaz> ... if use "td+jsonld" as the MIME type
13:58:41 <kaz> ... works only with "json"
13:59:21 <kaz> jr: that issue has been fixed in the dev version of node-wot on my side
14:00:06 <kaz> ... only remaining issue with node-wot fetch
14:01:02 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/174#issuecomment-931350331 comments
14:01:07 <kaz> topic: Tomorrow
14:01:20 <kaz> mm: we'll wrap up the Plugfest tomorrow
14:01:33 <kaz> ... there is a diagram of devices/apps by Toumura-san
14:02:10 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.09.Online network diagram by Toumura-san (at the bottom)
14:02:12 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:02:21 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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