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Goodbye 05:39:33 Zakim has left #accessibility4children 05:40:27 rssagent, bye 13:09:27 RRSAgent has joined #accessibility4children 13:09:27 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-accessibility4children-irc 13:09:29 RRSAgent, make logs Public 13:09:30 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), SuzanneTaylor 13:09:51 meeting: Meeting Three | September 30, 2021 | Learning Words As You Go | Global Children's Accessibility Considerations Toward a Definition 13:14:20 agenda+ Logistics 13:14:41 agenda+ Interactive Orthography Presentation by David Boulton 13:15:01 agenda+ TPAC 13:15:49 agenda+ Silver Friday Call 13:16:13 agenda+ Continue Discussion of Working Definition of Disability / Accessibility 13:25:43 Zakim, take up next 13:25:44 agendum 1 -- Logistics -- taken up [from SuzanneTaylor] 13:31:45 present+ AJ 13:31:56 present+ Maud 13:32:08 present+ Allison 13:32:24 present+ David 13:33:20 present+ Debbie (Interpreter) 13:33:31 present+ Dan (Interpreter) 13:35:48 krisannekinney has joined #accessibility4children 13:36:04 present + 13:37:03 Zakim, take up next 13:37:03 agendum 2 -- Interactive Orthography Presentation by David Boulton -- taken up [from SuzanneTaylor] 13:37:39 David: Part of the time will background, then outlining the issue, then showing a demo to solve the issue 13:38:14 ... this is specific to English, but English is spoken around the world and most other languages have similar issues, but not to the same extent 13:41:00 ... the orthography itself is the most prevelant info tech we use today 13:41:16 Suzanne: What is orthography? 13:41:35 David: The whole mechanism of sounds, letters, words and how they fit together 13:42:11 ... As of Feb 2020 lastest NAEP evaluation... 13:43:04 ... majority of students are not ready to read at the grade level 13:43:10 ... reading is slowing learning 13:43:39 ... This is definitely worse for students of color 13:45:05 ... There consequences are more than just learning, it causes psychological issues as well, creating aquired learning disabilities 13:46:33 Video: numerous experts highlight the complexity and issues caused by English itself 13:47:08 ... demo shows that even just the letter a has a wide variety of functions 13:47:37 ... and continues through other similar examples of oddities in English use of letter, even in elementary words 13:49:36 David: With that as a background, I am proposing a solution 13:50:50 ... (rolls over words that show a more detailed set of representations of sounds, such as different colors and heights of letters) 13:51:06 ... most students can use this set of symbols 13:51:19 ... the demo also gives more traditional things, like definitions 13:51:31 ... there is a verbal sounding out each word 13:52:13 ... add it to today's newspaper and the Things Entertainment Web site 13:52:54 ... It is a Chrome extension and can be used even to run over a very long text 13:53:44 Kris Anne: Does it work in e-readers? 13:54:00 David: Yes, we have some examples 13:54:14 AJ: Any plans for OCR? 13:54:33 David: It's more of a behind the scenes production approach right now 13:55:07 David: This is free and non-profit, we partner with some other organizations to recover server costs, etc 13:55:28 David: I think the future of words is to use the interest to change orthography 13:56:05 ... because the code is legacy tech that can't be touched, many people don't benefit from reading as they could/should 13:56:57 Allison: I understand this was researched at the word level, but I'm wondering if there is any research listening comprehension vs reading comprehension 13:57:43 David: One way to look at it is that reading comprehension is really just an avenue to listening comprehension 13:58:14 ... we have to get around the notion that the orthography is an immutable fixture 13:58:56 Allison: can you post links in the chat? 13:59:13 https://mlc.learningstewards.org/olsn-using/ 13:59:32 reading deep dive: https://childrenofthecode.org/ 13:59:57 Maud: Do you know of anyone working on this in other languages in other countries? 14:00:35 David: While some in other countries are using this, I don't know anyone else working in the space 14:01:22 ... however other languages have much less need to develop complex internal interpretative skills 14:02:08 Maud: There is someone in France working on this, perhaps... I could look into this 14:02:50 David: This can be a difficult sell 14:03:11 Maud: I like this idea. It does fit well with the work we do in accessibility 14:04:02 Zakim, take up next 14:04:02 agendum 3 -- TPAC -- taken up [from SuzanneTaylor] 14:08:26 Suzanne: Should we present? 14:08:34 AJ: can we review in advance 14:08:44 Allison: some concrete examples would be helpful 14:09:03 ... such as CC 14:10:55 Zakim, take up next 14:10:55 agendum 4 -- Silver Friday Call -- taken up [from SuzanneTaylor] 14:11:39 Zakim, take up next 14:11:39 agendum 4 was just opened, SuzanneTaylor 14:11:44 skip 14:11:48 Zakim, take up next 14:11:48 agendum 4 was just opened, SuzanneTaylor 14:11:57 Zkim, take up item 5 14:12:09 Zakim, take up item 5 14:12:09 agendum 5 -- Continue Discussion of Working Definition of Disability / Accessibility -- taken up [from SuzanneTaylor] 14:12:55 Maud: Learning Disabilities are defined differently country to country 14:13:08 ... requirements for accommodations differ 14:13:54 ... In other cases, schools might not have advances in psychology to apply 14:15:27 ... In some cases, anything that can't be "fixed" is a disabilitiy 14:23:19 Maud: -continues through slides- 14:23:30 David: To what extent will we stay with this 14:23:37 Maud: That's too be discussed 14:23:56 David: Yes, this is great a summary of where we are now 14:24:22 Maud: The idea is also to have the same understanding of the current framework in order to see how we can position ourselves relative to it 14:25:26 Allison: I get that we probably need to stay with the definition appropriate to adults, but there is also an issue with how to define this on, say, a fourth grade level 14:25:45 ... this way the language is appropriate to be used in a child-facing way 14:26:40 --David and Maud both agree that is a good idea-- 14:27:17 Maud: There are also gender-based differences in terms of patterns, and so support has to be different based on gender 14:27:38 ... this might not be part of the definition, but can we be sure we address this where needed 14:27:59 ... for example girls tend to under-diagnosed with some challenges 14:28:27 Allison: Can we also brought to other intersectionality (gender, race, etc) 14:29:10 AJ: are the slides/studies adult-based? 14:29:24 Maud: No, all of this is about children, and the research was about children 14:30:17 I did include a definition of "accessibility" in the slides, but this highlights how the definition seems to not address children 14:30:36 s/I did include/...I did include 14:32:34 Zakim, end meeting 14:32:34 As of this point the attendees have been AJ, Maud, Allison, David, Debbie, (Interpreter), Dan 14:32:36 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:32:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-accessibility4children-minutes.html Zakim 14:32:39 I am happy to have been of service, SuzanneTaylor; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 14:32:43 Zakim has left #accessibility4children 14:44:25 present- Dan 14:44:35 present- Debbie 14:44:51 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:44:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/30-accessibility4children-minutes.html SuzanneTaylor