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11:58:55 <kaz> meeting: WoT Use Cases
11:58:59 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
12:00:10 <kaz> present+ Jack_Dickinson
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12:01:47 <kaz> present+ Michael_Lagally
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12:03:34 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:04:47 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:10:19 <mlagally> q?
12:10:28 <mlagally> present?
12:10:38 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
12:10:38 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Jack_Dickinson, Michael_Lagally, David_Ezell, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:10:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see mlagally, dezell, Mizushima, RRSAgent, Zakim, kaz, Joshue108, benfrancis
12:12:32 <kaz> s/present?//
12:13:12 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:13:25 <kaz> topic: TPAC
12:13:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021 WoT TPAC wiki
12:13:46 <mlagally> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021
12:13:49 <kaz> ml: (goes through the TPAC wiki above)
12:14:14 <kaz> ... what should be presented about use cases there?
12:15:12 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-usecases/ wot-usecases doc
12:15:38 <kaz> ml: we have domain-specific use cases (and horizontal ones) within the use cases document above
12:15:50 <kaz> ... there is a section about "retail" as well
12:16:16 <kaz> ... let's pick up some of the domains during TPAC vF2F
12:16:22 <kaz> de: when to have the discussion?
12:16:28 <kaz> ml: not scheduled yet
12:16:34 <kaz> ... any preference?
12:16:54 <kaz> de: Jack and myself will be out for another event next week
12:17:02 <kaz> ml: (goes through the schedule)
12:17:44 <kaz> ... next week (Oct. 5, 7) and the week of Oct 25 (26, 27, 28)
12:18:55 <kaz> kaz: any preferred date?
12:19:41 <kaz> .. 26?
12:19:49 <mlagally> 1Prefered UC slot during TPAC: 2:00 UTC on Tuesday, Oct 26th
12:20:34 <kaz> kaz: NHK also wanted to talk about their media use case
12:20:49 <kaz> ... so maybe we can use the whole 2 hours on that day :)
12:20:52 <kaz> ml: ok
12:21:08 <kaz> ... also some update on Takenaka and WoT-JP CG
12:21:09 <kaz> kaz: ok
12:21:13 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:21:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-wot-uc-minutes.html Sep-21
12:21:50 <kaz> ml: (goes through the minutes)
12:22:38 <kaz> ... any objections?
12:22:42 <kaz> (none; approved)
12:22:55 <kaz> topic: Editorial updates
12:23:24 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pulls PRs
12:23:33 <kaz> ml: (goes through the PRs)
12:23:52 <kaz> subtopic: PR 131
12:24:00 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/131 PR 131 - Cultural Spaces (Museums) use case
12:24:12 <kaz> ml: the proposer wrongly deleted the template itself
12:24:17 <kaz> ... but fixed the problem
12:24:55 <kaz> de: missing "f" for "affiliation", btw
12:25:02 <kaz> ml: will fix it
12:25:37 <kaz> ... other than that, would merge this PR
12:25:44 <kaz> ... any objections?
12:26:08 <kaz> (none; merged)
12:26:30 <kaz> subtopic: PR 147
12:26:52 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/147  PR 147 - Reinstate / Update use-case-template.html
12:27:11 <kaz> ml: some conflicts to be fixed
12:27:17 <kaz> ... will work on that later
12:27:36 <kaz> subtopic: PR 117
12:27:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/117 PR 117 - WIP: Add liaisons
12:28:21 <kaz> ml: close it
12:28:23 <kaz> (closed)
12:28:33 <kaz> subtoic: PR 148
12:29:03 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/148 PR 148 - updated liaison chapter
12:29:19 <kaz> ml: sections for liaison orgs
12:29:48 <kaz> kaz: asking ECHONET about brief text on their work
12:30:07 <kaz> ml: yeah, not big text but brief summary
12:30:40 <kaz> topic: Issues
12:30:46 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 135
12:31:17 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues/135 Issue 135 - Improve references: Use Specref Database references where avaliable for release 2.0
12:31:25 <kaz> s/avaliable/available/
12:31:33 <kaz> ml: some trouble with ReSpec
12:31:56 <kaz> s/ReSpec/Specref/
12:32:58 <kaz> ... (goes through the Specref entries)
12:33:41 <kaz> ... would like to continue to work on "publication-2.0" issues
12:33:52 <kaz> kaz: that means "next publication". right?
12:33:54 <kaz> ml: yes
12:33:54 <mlagally> https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apublication-2.0
12:34:19 <kaz> ml: those issues marked as "publication-2.0" above
12:34:28 <kaz> topic: Retail use cases
12:34:41 <kaz> ml: any high-level introduction?
12:35:04 <kaz> de: as we develop based on user story
12:35:35 <kaz> ... one of our outcome should be to figure out what would be useful for people
12:35:41 <kaz> ... one of the biggest problems
12:35:55 <kaz> ... a lot of aspects might be important
12:36:00 <kaz> ... one of the things is
12:36:17 <kaz> ... controlling a device in a concrete use case
12:36:26 <kaz> ... e.g., your freezers
12:36:37 <kaz> ... how to hook up things
12:36:50 <kaz> ... interfering things
12:37:15 <kaz> ... we've done our best to justify why given device might need to be standardized
12:37:31 <kaz> ... ecosystem to accomplish some task
12:38:00 <kaz> ... controlling single freezer is not nearly that important
12:38:35 <kaz> ... the store operation, etc., related to the merchants' need
12:38:50 <kaz> jd: things related to spoil edge
12:39:09 <kaz> de: how to do categorization is another question
12:39:51 <kaz> kaz: based on geolocation information?
12:40:15 <kaz> ml: would it make sense to have discussion by a smaller group?
12:40:42 <kaz> ... including Michael McCool
12:41:05 <kaz> ... thought there was some ZIP file
12:41:14 <kaz> de: you can share the resource here
12:41:48 <kaz> ... (shares the information on Conexxus Use Cases - first draft)
12:42:17 <kaz> ... let me see the original document
12:42:41 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:42:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:42:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
12:43:18 <kaz> ... (shows the original document)
12:43:24 <kaz> ... sales-related devices
12:43:39 <kaz> ... facilities, data and power equipment
12:43:48 <kaz> ... food preparation and food service devices
12:44:04 <kaz> ... classification field to categorize the devices
12:45:14 <kaz> ml: wondering about "indoor and outdoor freezers" and "kitchen refrigerator"
12:45:30 <kaz> jd: a little bit of overlap and some more differences
12:45:50 <kaz> chair: Lagally
12:46:05 <kaz> ml: maybe we can pick up some key use cases
12:46:17 <kaz> q+
12:46:43 <kaz> ... or do we want to categorize them with some fine-grained categories?
12:47:01 <kaz> de: (shows a use case description)
12:47:23 <kaz> jd: yeah, this is an actual use case
12:48:02 <kaz> de: no outdoor refrigerator here
12:48:11 <kaz> ... let me provide one
12:48:48 <kaz> ... btw, this list of devices is more useful
12:49:10 <kaz> ml: looks a good categorization
12:49:23 <kaz> ... about a gas station?
12:49:27 <kaz> de: typically :)
12:50:11 <kaz> ml: why don't you create Pullrequests based on the use cases?
12:50:36 <kaz> de: wondering about category and class
12:50:40 <kaz> ... how to use the "Class"?
12:50:47 <kaz> ml: we've not used it yet
12:51:36 <kaz> de: can we use the "Class" field to clarify the details?
12:51:41 <kaz> ml: sounds good
12:52:35 <kaz> de: would provide a use case for the Oct 26 meeting
12:53:18 <kaz> ml: 5 stories under one use case are mentioned here (within the device list)
12:53:29 <kaz> de: maybe one-page presentation on our situation
12:54:08 <kaz> ... in 10 minutes
12:54:21 <kaz> ml: during the Oct-26 meeting?
12:54:24 <kaz> de: yes
12:54:29 <kaz> ml: ok
12:54:38 <kaz> ... my question is what/how to review the proposals
12:55:07 <kaz> q?
12:55:23 <kaz> de: may remove the classification of indoor/outdoor
12:55:31 <kaz> jd: makes sense
12:56:52 <kaz> kaz: think you can use the "Category" field for "Retail"
12:57:10 <kaz> ... and use the "Class" field to show actual categorization of your use cases
12:57:12 <kaz> de: ok
12:57:16 <kaz> ... can do within a few days
12:57:36 <kaz> ml: and some more discussion/review including McCool?
12:57:38 <kaz> de: ok
12:57:51 <kaz> ml: you can create Pullrequests as well
12:58:16 <kaz> ack k
12:58:40 <kaz> de: how about aiming 19th?
12:58:42 <kaz> ml: ok
12:59:15 <kaz> kaz: nice
12:59:25 <kaz> ... we can start with one specific use case
12:59:39 <kaz> ... and use the "Variants" field to show possible variants
13:00:16 <kaz> ml: let's continue the discussion by emai
13:00:22 <kaz> s/emai/email/
13:00:38 <kaz> kaz: so on 19th possible initial use case description
13:01:02 <kaz> ... and then on 26th actual use case discussion during TPAC vF2F with one pager slide
13:01:05 <kaz> all: yes
13:01:09 <kaz> ml: aob?
13:01:10 <kaz> (none)
13:01:14 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:01:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-uc-minutes.html kaz
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