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13:02:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT Plugfest/Testfest - Da 2
13:02:45 <kaz> s/Da 2/Day 2/
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13:03:28 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Van_Cu_Pham, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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13:04:03 <kaz> present+ Fabien_Amarger
13:04:20 <kaz> topic: Guests
13:04:32 <kaz> fa: from Siemens working with Christian
13:04:56 <kaz> mm: please be sure about the W3C Patent Policy
13:05:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20170801/ W3C PP
13:05:35 <kaz> present+ Christian_Glomb
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13:05:49 <kaz> mm: please join the IRC as well
13:05:53 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/PlugFest_WebConf#Agenda_28.09.2021
13:06:02 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
13:06:12 <kaz> i/from/scribenick: kaz/
13:06:26 <kaz> s/https/Agenda: https/
13:06:26 <sebastian> we have a guest, Fabien Amarger
13:06:34 <sebastian> from Logilab
13:07:03 <sebastian> Fabien: working with Christian from Siemens
13:07:12 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
13:07:26 <sebastian> Kaz can you take the minutes
13:07:31 <sebastian> I need to open the door
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13:07:40 <kaz> fa: (introduces himself)
13:07:48 <kaz> i/intro/scribenick: kaz/
13:07:59 <kaz> ... working on discovery
13:08:02 <kaz> mm: sounds great
13:08:14 <kaz> ... we need a second implementation
13:08:23 <kaz> ... would be great if you could join the Discovery call
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13:08:36 <kaz> cg: would like to use the Plugfest to get experience
13:08:42 <kaz> mm: ok
13:08:51 <kaz> ... would look at geolocation information
13:08:54 <cris> q+
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13:09:20 <kaz> ack c
13:09:40 <kaz> ca: what would you like to correct information on discovery?
13:10:05 <kaz> cg: there were issues on the GitHub from McCool
13:10:29 <kaz> mm: if it's a feature request may be appropriate to track it using GH issue
13:11:04 <kaz> ... there are issues on wot-testing repo about projects
13:11:33 <kaz> cg: would get feedback to our implementation
13:11:35 <kaz> mm: ok
13:12:14 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen++Project Projects
13:12:35 <kaz> mm: e.g., I myself would like to work on geolocation information
13:12:43 <kaz> q?
13:12:51 <kaz> q+
13:12:58 <kaz> cg: meanwhile you can send by email to me too
13:13:51 <kaz> kaz: McCool, just to make sure, are you suggesting we create Issues on GitHub for Projects even from now?
13:13:55 <kaz> mm: yes
13:13:57 <kaz> kaz: o
13:14:04 <kaz> s/kaz: o/kaz: ok/
13:14:26 <kaz> topic: Logistics
13:14:30 <kaz> mm: any updates?
13:14:31 <kaz> (none)
13:14:35 <kaz> topic: PRs
13:14:55 <kaz> subtopic: PR 166
13:15:07 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/166 PR 166 - Update NHK project
13:15:11 <kaz> mm: asked several fixes
13:15:15 <kaz> ... and updated
13:15:24 <kaz> ... (goes through the PR)
13:15:49 <kaz> ... also active.csv
13:15:58 <kaz> ack k
13:16:02 <sebastian> Kaz, Im back
13:16:16 <sebastian> many thanks
13:16:28 <sebastian> ok to merge PR #166?
13:16:43 <sebastian> ok
13:16:45 <kaz> merged
13:17:03 <sebastian> next PR, https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/161
13:17:13 <sebastian> Composed TMs from Siemens
13:17:17 <kaz> i/next/subtopic: PR 161/
13:17:38 <kaz> sk: two use cases there
13:18:03 <kaz> ... TM is also provided
13:18:14 <kaz> mm: ok
13:18:34 <kaz> ... wondering about validation for TM
13:18:39 <kaz> ek: no
13:19:01 <sebastian> PR provides two composed IoT systems: Smart ventilation and smart manufacture - bottle filling system
13:19:20 <sebastian> MM: does also TMs are tested?
13:19:22 <sebastian> Ege: no
13:19:23 <kaz> i/PR provides/scribenick: sebastian/
13:20:55 <sebastian> PR is going to be merged
13:21:20 <sebastian> next PR, https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/163 from Hitachi
13:21:28 <kaz> s/next/subtopic: PR 163/
13:22:01 <sebastian> adds Hitachi's devices to the device active.csv
13:23:51 <kaz> q+
13:24:13 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:24:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:24:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:25:18 <kaz> kaz: we can archive this repo and create a new one for the current work in the future
13:25:47 <sebastian> next PR, https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/164 from UNIBO
13:26:04 <kaz> i/we can/(some discussion on the size of the wot-testing repo)/
13:26:17 <kaz> i/next/subtopic: PR 164/
13:26:29 <kaz> Chair: McCool
13:26:52 <kaz> present+ Fady_Salama, Ryuichi_Matsukura
13:26:53 <sebastian> TD shall be valid, since they are generated from node-wot
13:28:18 <sebastian> next PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/165 from Intel
13:28:20 <kaz> s|subtopic: PR 163||
13:28:31 <kaz> i/next/subtopic: PR 165/
13:28:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:28:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:29:11 <kaz> i|from Hitachi|subtopic: PR 163|
13:29:11 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
13:29:48 <sebastian> there is a camera with geolaction information
13:31:45 <sebastian> McCool shows a live stream of the camera
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13:32:01 <sebastian> PR not ready to merge yet
13:33:36 <sebastian> Christiano: we can talk about the TDD
13:34:28 <sebastian> Fabien: framing is not working if there is no @type
13:35:02 <sebastian> @type is optional
13:35:33 <sebastian> MM: proposal would be if there is a @type missing then should be added
13:37:10 <sebastian> ... we should solve the problem without changing the TD
13:37:41 <sebastian> Christian: for the PlugFest we fix in the implementation
13:37:50 <sebastian> kaz yes
13:37:53 <kaz> s/Christiano/Christian/
13:38:13 <kaz> t/we can talk/topic: TDD/
13:38:30 <sebastian> ... then we have the round trip problem. TD --> TDD --> TD
13:40:22 <sebastian> ... we lose information
13:41:31 <sebastian> Fabien: we lose title, titles, description, descriptions
13:42:38 <sebastian> Christian: then there was a problem with Ege's TD, there is "%" character used
13:42:50 <sebastian> ... for an unit
13:43:36 <sebastian> Fabien: transforming this to RDF will transform "%" to an URL which is not valid
13:44:09 <sebastian> there is also an issue https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1210
13:45:40 <kaz> q?
13:45:42 <kaz> q-
13:45:44 <kaz> q+
13:45:49 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1202 related issue
13:46:08 <sebastian> q+
13:47:20 <kaz> ack k
13:48:51 <kaz> kaz: btw, would like to remind Siemens also add description on (1) main README.md about the summary, (2) Projects about what to be tested and (3) active.csv about the status in addition to the TD itself
13:48:57 <kaz> s/add/should add/
13:51:56 <sebastian> there is also the discussion if we should use the "unit" only for linked data and not for human readable values
13:53:10 <sebastian> ege: we can exclude specific character like %
13:53:18 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TDs/TUM/ConveyorBelt1.td.jsonld TUM's ConveyorBelt1 TD example
13:54:16 <kaz> topic: PRs - revisited
13:54:21 <kaz> subtopic: PR 169
13:54:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/pull/169 PR 169 - Added active devices to the active.csv list
13:57:49 <sebastian> going to be merged
13:59:30 <kaz> topic: What to do tomorrow?
13:59:38 <kaz> kaz: can we start actual connection tomorrow?
13:59:51 <kaz> mm: need to update the implementation report
14:00:04 <kaz> ... will work on that today
14:00:15 <kaz> i/can we/scribenick: kaz/
14:01:44 <kaz> q?
14:02:30 <kaz> topic: AOB?
14:02:38 <kaz> question about TM validation
14:02:53 <kaz> starting with validating TM as TD is ok
14:04:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/blob/main/events/2021.09.Online/TD/TMs/Siemens/MyLight-Extends-LwM2M.td.jsonld TM example
14:04:57 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/issues/170
14:05:41 <kaz> kaz: let's continue the discussion tomorrow
14:05:43 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:05:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/28-wot-pf-minutes.html kaz
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