IRC log of personalization on 2021-09-27

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Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 27 September 2021
13:55:22 [Lionel_Wolberger]
agenda?
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agenda+ Follow-up on i18n issue #144 actions (Lionel, Matt, Charles)
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agenda+ TPAC scheduling
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agenda+ Progress on the Personalization deck for TPAC
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agenda+ Blockers to CR? write up from John on issue #170
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agenda+ CR template status
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agenda+ John's harmonization of Modules 2.0 and 3.0
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agenda?
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chair: Lionel_Wolberger
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agenda?
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present+
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present+
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present+
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14:02:43 [Matthew_Atkinson]
agenda?
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scribe: Matthew_Atkinson
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agendum 1 -- Follow-up on i18n issue #144 actions (Lionel, Matt, Charles) -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
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14:04:55 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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14:04:59 [JF]
Present+
14:05:00 [CharlesL]
present+
14:06:48 [Roy]
present+
14:07:19 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: Working on example for text direction (and TPAC slides); will send PRs later this week.
14:08:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: CharlesL: would you be able to create ePub documents with symbols to serve as test cases (with different text directions)?
14:08:47 [Matthew_Atkinson]
CharlesL: Yes—have the tools to convert from e.g. Word to ePub; need to find/create suitable source material.
14:09:17 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Where could we find open source examples?
14:09:49 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: How about something from Project Gutenberg?
14:10:17 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Janina: First pargraph from A Tale of Two Cities?
14:10:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
CharlesL: Who would be able to mark up the symbols appropriately?
14:10:34 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: We could ask COGA.
14:10:40 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: We could ask Steve Lee.
14:12:07 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Alice in Wonderland is also in the public domain and will have simpler language.
14:13:29 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: (reads the paragaph)
14:13:59 [Matthew_Atkinson]
(General expressions of enthusiasm from the group as to its appropriateness.)
14:14:43 [Matthew_Atkinson]
CharlesL: To confirm: we'll ask Steve to make a version of this in Word with symbols, also get it translated into another language, and I can convert them to ePub.
14:15:15 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Translated versions may not be in the public domain, but feel this counts as fair use.
14:15:20 [Matthew_Atkinson]
(General agreement from the group.)
14:15:46 [Lionel_Wolberger]
אליס בארץ הפלאות
14:15:58 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: Steve created this symbol set: https://mulberrysymbols.org/
14:16:00 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q+
14:16:13 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: https://mulberrysymbols.org/
14:17:26 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: internationalisation etc being done over at https://globalsymbols.com/
14:17:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q?
14:18:33 [JF]
Q+
14:18:48 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: When asking for symbols, we'll need to ask for the Bliss IDs specifically.
14:18:49 [JF]
ack M
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ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:19:38 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: Not sure how much Steve knows about what we're doing, but it would be interesting to hear from someone who has made a symbol set about how to map from a symbol set to Bliss.
14:19:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
+1
14:20:23 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: (also agrees this would be interesting) Will ask if we (APA) can have some of Steve's time.
14:20:28 [Matthew_Atkinson]
ack JF
14:20:31 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q?
14:20:36 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- TPAC scheduling -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:57 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: Working on filing the meeting requests with others (some accessibility issues). Should be done this week. Expecting one joint meeting and one breakout.
14:24:41 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: Some may need to be scheduled next week due to needing info from other groups.
14:26:05 [Lionel_Wolberger]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
14:26:49 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: "APA Personalization Module 1 Overview" is the breakout session.
14:27:29 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: (will file this breakout session after the planning meeting)
14:28:37 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q+
14:30:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: For constraints: be friendly to the TZ range -7 to +3.
14:30:59 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: We should request 1400 UTC (our normal slot).
14:32:11 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: We could request 1300 to 1500 UTC as the range.
14:32:29 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: (1300 UTC is 6am for the West Coast)
14:32:31 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q?
14:35:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:36:04 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: Just checking the us+i18n meeting already happened, and that leaves the breakout and the us+COGA meeting as the two that remain.
14:36:09 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: Affirmative.
14:37:10 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: (Also notes that the main i18n issue seems to be whether we need another method in HTML to express directionality, or if the current approaches are enough—and think it'll be the latter, when we have created examples)
14:37:24 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: janina: (Discussing day ranges for our meetings.)
14:40:18 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Filing entry for the breakout; can edit later if need be.
14:40:43 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: The COGA + Personalization joint meeting (not a breakout) will need to be scheduled next week.
14:44:46 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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agendum 3 -- Progress on the Personalization deck for TPAC -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:45:30 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: [Group discussed and we agreed content should be similar for both.] I will send a PR for this by the end of the week so we have something for next time.
14:45:31 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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agendum 3 was just opened, Matthew_Atkinson
14:45:37 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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agendum 3 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Blockers to CR? write up from John on issue #170 [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:45:38 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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agendum 4 -- Blockers to CR? write up from John on issue #170 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:46:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q?
14:48:06 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Matthew_Atkinson: JF already closed https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170
14:50:05 [Matthew_Atkinson]
JF: Working on template for Module 1 and expect 2 and 3 to be done this week. [This is for later items, but another blocker is coming up -scribe]
14:50:18 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: We have another potential blocker to CR coming up...
14:52:11 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#Synchronization_Accessibility_User_Requirements_.28FPWD.29_Announcements
14:53:15 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: At the top of that page is a checklist for all of the things that need to be done in the run up to publishing.
14:53:33 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: We don't want to do this at the last minute. The announcements for SAUR took about 3 weeks.
14:55:10 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: I can't log in.
14:55:25 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: Roy: may be a permissions issue; we need to raise this with MichaelC.
14:55:43 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Roy: Sharon's sent some draft announcements in email.
14:58:51 [Matthew_Atkinson]
janina: stages in publishing include horizontal review (which we've done save for i18n); then CR with data-* attributes (and a note about that); then we need to file an issue with WHATWG to request a prefix; then republish CR with the final attribute names.
14:59:55 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Suggest we discuss this on-list (where the thread is) and we need someone to reply to point to the info about the SAUR as discussed above.
15:01:50 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: (responds in the thread)
15:02:17 [Matthew_Atkinson]
Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks all for helping us get stuff done :-)
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s/Working on template for Module 1 and expect 2 and 3/Working on template based on Module 1 and expect Module 2 and 3
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15:03:29 [JF]
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15:22:25 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/TR/accessibility-conformance-challenges/
15:22:46 [janina]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/wcag/conformance-challenges-5aside/conformance-challenges/index.html
15:23:29 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Substantial_Conformance
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