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18:36:13 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Grou
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18:37:11 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Setup and Reset for Test Case
18:38:43 <Matt_King> James: Decided there will always be a setup button
18:39:12 <Matt_King> Z: If there is no script, should the button be on the page
18:40:40 <Matt_King> James: we could hide button if there is no script
18:48:53 <Matt_King> z: During test generation, we will make a copy of the reference example pages, one for each unique setup script.
18:52:52 <Matt_King> Rich: This sprint will wrap up full deployment of the new schema
18:53:10 <Matt_King> will be able to move to more agile approach after Oct 1, last day of this sprint
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19:07:31 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Feedback from testers running tests
19:08:58 <Rich_Noah> SCRIBE: Rich_Noah
19:09:32 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: i saw an email from Alyssa Vo regarding feedback.
19:10:18 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: AlyssaG were you able to get any testing this week?
19:10:36 <Rich_Noah> AlyssaG: yes, I did 6 and have a completed a total of 8.
19:10:50 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: do you have any feedback?
19:11:25 <Rich_Noah> AlyssaG: one of the tests references from interactive and focus mode.
19:11:48 <Rich_Noah> James: I wasn't aware we had reached a conclusion.
19:12:25 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I thought we had reached a conclusion.  We were going to have a terms listing somewhere, different than the working mode.
19:15:44 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: we are assuming a certain amount of knowledge but certain things can be confusing.  Have you seen the raise an issue button AlyssaG?
19:16:04 <Rich_Noah> AlyssaG: no I have not looked for it.
19:16:48 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: it is down at the bottom and gives you a form.  Ass much feedback as possible.  Thank you.
19:17:20 <Rich_Noah> AlyssaG: I shall do that
19:25:42 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: Jongund you had raised some issues while testing.  Your issue about radio buttons
19:26:54 <Rich_Noah> jongund: It would be nice if we used the radio buttons for sighted users, no line breaks.  Maybe some visual styling.
19:28:44 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: Issue 505 can be retitled and retagged.
19:28:57 <Rich_Noah> James: I will do some work on this.
19:30:00 <Rich_Noah> jongund: when you open the test you can't see the script window.
19:30:15 <Rich_Noah> James: It is a comment on 502.
19:32:24 <Rich_Noah> Z: this is in that ARIA-AT repo, there is a current call that specifies and size.
19:32:42 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I believe we need a separate issue for this.
19:33:13 <Rich_Noah> James: I will create this.
19:34:31 <Rich_Noah> Z: we just need to specify the size or remove it.
19:35:02 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: is there anything else jongund?
19:42:28 <Rich_Noah> Hadi: Sorry for joining late
19:43:36 <Rich_Noah> Hadi: I think screen reader navigation and keyboard navigation should be separate.
19:45:35 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: we have not defined any assertions related to landmark regions yet.
19:48:16 <Rich_Noah> jongund: I think there needs to be information on if they can ignore it or not.
19:49:01 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: we need to think about what we want the screen readers do but what we want the tests to tests
19:50:09 <Rich_Noah> TOPIC: Priorities for next sprint
19:50:18 <jongund> MK: IN the last ten minutes, we can talk about the next ???, any other development of the app
19:50:32 <Rich_Noah> SCRIBE: jongund
19:50:32 <jongund> MK: Previous meetings about the way we work
19:50:52 <jongund> MK: We have been talking about our draft tests, what should or should not be in them
19:51:20 <jongund> MK: Then we want to change the draft tests are ready for screen reader companies
19:51:49 <jongund> MK: This process is working well for everybody, we identified some issues today
19:52:19 <jongund> MK: We need to record browser and screen reader versions, and identified some accessibility issues
19:52:30 <jongund> MK: We have a crisp list to burn down
19:52:51 <jongund> MK: What are the things that are absolutely critical between now and the end of the year
19:53:08 <jongund> MK: What priorties of the group members
19:53:36 <jongund> MK: This is an opportunity for working group input to priorties
19:54:16 <jongund> ST: We have received issues related to radio buttons, so it might a high priority
19:54:25 <jongund> MK: That is a design one
19:54:46 <jongund> ST: I would be happy to talk about the issues with the design team
19:55:27 <jongund> ST: There are some additional issues for visual design
19:55:35 <jongund> ST: Radio is first suggestion
19:55:55 <jongund> ST: The difference between NEXT and SAVE, not sure we have an issue for that
19:56:12 <jongund> MK: I thought you were suppose to raise an issue
19:56:28 <jongund> RN: That was n the accessibility audit
19:57:12 <jongund> MK: I think there needs to be consensus on a solution that can be implemented
19:57:35 <jongund> MK: I welcome an issue, think it through, please provide a proposal and we can talk through the proposal
19:57:49 <jongund> MK: We can then have the solution float to the top
19:58:32 <jongund> MK: We need to talk about it soon for the ..
19:59:05 <jongund> ST: Something like the radio buttons fits under dedicated time, and we don't have to carve out right now
19:59:40 <jongund> MK: We will not be able to get all the fixes and the production issues
20:00:08 <jongund> JS: Is that more important than screen reader and browse version issues
20:00:47 <jongund> MK: The tests status is needed to make test available to screen reader developers, the SR and browser  version is important too
20:01:31 <jongund> ST: We are feeling pressure, can we use email today to figure out the radio button, we need to do it in the next week
20:01:39 <jongund> MK: We will revisit this next week
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