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11:57:31 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
11:57:36 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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12:03:53 <McCool> open day doodle https://doodle.com/poll/ms6ywyka5zpbhib7
12:04:16 <kaz> i/open day/topic: Preliminary
12:04:30 <kaz> present+ Michael_Koster, Sebastian_Kaebisch
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12:06:37 <McCool> open day doodle https://doodle.com/poll/ms6ywyka5zpbhib7
12:06:57 <kaz> chairs: McCool
12:07:43 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
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12:07:55 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally
12:08:16 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#22_September_2021
12:09:28 <mlagally> mmc: next week we will clean up the agenda a bit
12:09:42 <mlagally> mmc: no guests today, 2 new invited experts
12:09:53 <kaz> i/no guests/topic: Guests, New Members, IEs/
12:10:27 <mlagally> ... general policy: only accept people who have been participating a few meetings as invited guests
12:10:43 <kaz> s/a few/in a few/
12:10:50 <kaz> topic: Minutes
12:11:03 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-wot-minutes.html Sep-15
12:11:17 <mlagally> mmc: any comments or objections for publishing the notes?
12:11:24 <mlagally> ... (none)
12:11:31 <mlagally> topic: Quick updates
12:11:37 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:11:42 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
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12:12:03 <mlagally> DIoT Workhop, Camera ready papers due Oct 18th
12:12:47 <mlagally> Mizushima: Japanese CG: announcement to CG members about TF will be sent later this week
12:12:48 <kaz> s/Workhop/Workshop/
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12:13:48 <mlagally> Ege: Netzo is a startup by a former student of mine - product demo could be part of the F2F / OpenDay
12:14:34 <mlagally> Sk: I'm in contact with them on the OpenDay, his name is Arturo
12:16:10 <mlagally> kaz: Takanaka company has a WoT based platform for building management which includes AI services, they use TD and DTLD
12:16:27 <kaz> s/Takanaka/Takenaka/
12:16:36 <mlagally> mmc: They have a scripting implementation
12:16:42 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:16:54 <kaz> q?
12:16:56 <kaz> q+
12:17:05 <mlagally> koster: very interested
12:17:39 <kaz> q-
12:18:21 <mlagally> mmc: if everynoe today completes the doodle today we can select a da
12:18:33 <mlagally> s/da/day/
12:18:49 <mlagally> s/evernoe/everyone/
12:19:14 <mlagally> mmc: would like to hand over the organisation of testing after the upcoming round
12:19:59 <mlagally> I have serious audio problems, cannot hear what people say
12:19:59 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/22-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:20:00 <Ege> Michael your voice is choppy
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12:20:07 <mlagally> can someone please take over scribing
12:20:16 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:20:21 <kaz> topic: TPAC
12:20:32 <kaz> mm: updated the wiki
12:20:49 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021 TPAC vF2F wiki
12:20:59 <kaz> mm: we'll have the Plugfest next week
12:21:16 <kaz> ... so cancelling calls except the main call
12:21:35 <kaz> ... Open Day meetings and breakouts are tbd
12:21:49 <kaz> ... vF2f on 5, 7, 26, 27 and 28 of Oct
12:21:57 <kaz> q+
12:22:15 <kaz> ... note one hour shorter on 26th
12:22:27 <kaz> ... due to T2TRG meeting
12:22:56 <kaz> kaz: and the last slot on 28th overlapped with MEIG
12:22:58 <kaz> mm: ok
12:23:03 <kaz> ... fixing
12:23:35 <dape> q+
12:23:45 <kaz> ... also need group meeting calendar to be updated
12:23:47 <kaz> q-
12:24:02 <kaz> ... topics are listed but not scheduled yet
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12:24:40 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021#Topics_.28Not_Scheduled.29 proposed topics
12:24:55 <kaz> mm: (adds TF topics)
12:25:08 <kaz> ack d
12:25:40 <kaz> dape: btw, have a question about overlapped content between the main wiki and the main call wiki
12:25:48 <mlagally_> @Kaz, I can take over again, use a different machine now
12:26:07 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally_
12:26:08 <kaz> q?
12:26:10 <mlagally_> dape: this is a bit confusing
12:26:11 <kaz> q+
12:26:11 <dape> ack dape
12:26:27 <mlagally_> mmc: let's clean up during the next main call
12:26:40 <mlagally_> ... let's allocate time slots on the agenda
12:26:56 <mlagally_> ... sk, do you want to discuss OPC-UA?
12:27:13 <mlagally_> sk: yes, as discussed during the use case call yesterday
12:27:18 <kaz> i|btw|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf main call wiki|
12:27:35 <kaz> i|btw|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page WoT main wiki|
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12:29:14 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
12:29:21 <kaz> mm: Lagally, what about architecture, etc.?
12:29:41 <kaz> ml: architcture 30m, profiles 45m, use cases 45m
12:29:53 <kaz> sk: TD 2.5h
12:30:37 <kaz> mm: regarding security, signature 20m, DID 20
12:30:44 <kaz> s/DID 20/DID 20m/
12:30:49 <kaz> ... what about scripting?
12:30:55 <kaz> dp: get back to you shortly
12:31:06 <kaz> scribenick: mlagally_
12:31:19 <mlagally_> mm: for TPAC I like to identify a day for the open day
12:31:33 <mlagally_> ... (checks the doodle)
12:31:47 <kaz> q+
12:32:06 <mlagally_> ... conflicts are at certain times, e.g. AC meetings, we also want to avoid Fridays, they are bad for Japan
12:32:26 <mlagally_> Ege: I don't have a serious conflict
12:33:17 <mlagally_> ... any problems with Monday 11th and Thursday 14th
12:33:30 <McCool> proposal: open day for Oct 11 (Monday) and Oct 14 (Thursday)
12:33:53 <mlagally_> kaz: should have a dedicated discussion on smart cities as discussed on chair's reflector
12:34:06 <mlagally_> mmc: this could be a breakout
12:34:30 <mlagally_> kaz: breakouts are limited to 1 hour
12:35:37 <mlagally_> mmc: we have options of smart cities on Thursday on OpenDay or a separate session
12:35:50 <mlagally_> kaz: what about OGC?
12:36:54 <mlagally_> mmc: Let's coordinate, put it into the calendar and check for conflicts. Could have a 3 hour session on Monday or Thursday
12:37:14 <mlagally_> kaz: I will check with all presenters of SmartCities workshop, including OGC repü
12:37:20 <mlagally_> s/ü//
12:40:08 <mlagally_> mmc: Registration is open now, please register.
12:40:23 <mlagally_> ... you have to be a member, i.e. have an account.
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12:41:19 <mlagally_> mmc: I have an agenda for the joint call with SDW
12:41:50 <mlagally_> ... also for DID, will add them the agenda
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12:43:08 <mlagally_> kaz: we have a response from MiniApp, they have a CG and WG. CG side is interested in a joint meeting.
12:43:47 <mlagally_> ml: no response from automotive group
12:44:00 <mlagally_> s/group/group yet/
12:44:56 <mlagally_> mmc: we may still be able to get a joint session in, but we are behind the deadline already
12:45:10 <mlagally_> toipc: OpenDay
12:45:20 <mlagally_> mmc: I have allocated 6 hours
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12:46:05 <mlagally_> ... when you have confirmation for a presentation, please add it to the Wiki
12:46:07 <kaz> q+
12:46:29 <mlagally_> ... ITU-T - We plan for a Dec 13th joint call.
12:46:59 <mlagally_> mmc: OGC and IEEE P2874 - I'll contact them
12:47:07 <mlagally_> ... Echonet - any updates?
12:47:29 <mlagally_> matsuda-san: we are considering participating in the OpenDay
12:47:45 <mlagally_> kaz: will remind iSO
12:47:52 <kaz> s/iSO/ISO/
12:48:40 <kaz> q?
12:48:57 <mlagally_> mmc: OPC UA, since the current contact is a Siemens member he could be attending the OpenDay or a WG call
12:49:22 <mlagally_> ml: let's add it to the use case call?
12:50:11 <mlagally_> mmc: discussing liaisons during OpenDay is not appropriate, we can invite them to that anyway
12:50:39 <mlagally_> ... liaison discussion should be happening during TPAC
12:51:23 <mlagally_> mmc: Need to discuss where a description of liaisons goes, use cases, somewhere else?
12:52:54 <mlagally_> kaz: Liaison discussion during OpenDay and TPAC is different
12:53:36 <mlagally_> mmc: At OpenDay other groups are attending, Liaison needs to be discussed
12:54:26 <mlagally_> (... reorganising the agenda ...)
12:54:35 <mlagally_> topic: Charter
12:55:19 <mlagally_> mmc: update to new template happened, we should get a renewal, i.e. a request for a new charter before we ask for an extension
12:55:57 <mlagally_> ... This depends on the deliverables
12:56:18 <mlagally_> ... asking for input for the new charter, Michael provided some input
12:57:05 <mlagally_> q+
12:57:58 <kaz> s/Liaison discussion during OpenDay and TPAC is different/I thought Jeff also suggested we have liaison discussion on WoT deployment with all the related SDOs during Open Day, and I thought that would make sense. So it seems a bit odd to me  to have some of them during the OpenDay and others during the vF2F. Of course that would be fine if there is any concrete preference or rationale, though./
12:58:00 <kaz> q-
12:58:31 <mlagally_> ml: which features are in TD 2.0, need to be more explicit
12:59:25 <kaz> q+
12:59:50 <kaz> ack ml
13:00:01 <mlagally_> ... profiles should not be distiguished by use cases, rather protocols
13:00:22 <mlagally_> ... we could also consider "industrial" as a name
13:00:35 <mlagally_> topic: Cancellations
13:02:54 <kaz> q?
13:02:56 <mlagally_> mmc: Plugfest week: Use Cases, Scripting and Architecture not cancelled, architecture is 1 hour only, all other calls except main call are cancelled
13:03:19 <mlagally_> dape: Will check on scripting
13:04:00 <kaz> topic: MiniApps joint discussion (revisited)
13:04:14 <mlagally_> kaz: will follow up
13:04:18 <kaz> kaz: found their final response on the team-wot thread
13:04:32 <kaz> s/kaz: will follow up//
13:04:32 <mlagally_> topic: AOB?
13:05:04 <mlagally_> none
13:05:04 <kaz> i/AOB/kaz: let's follow up by email on the thread
13:05:12 <kaz> [adjourned]
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13:05:35 <kaz> i/none/scribenick: mlagally_/
13:05:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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