13:56:35 RRSAgent has joined #wot-discovery 13:56:35 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/09/20-wot-discovery-irc 13:57:13 meeting: WoT Discovery 14:00:29 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Jan_Romann 14:00:53 present+ Farshid_Tavakolizadeh 14:01:09 glomb has joined #wot-discovery 14:01:50 present+ Christian_Glomb, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura 14:02:06 ktoumura has joined #wot-discovery 14:02:13 Mizushima has joined #wot-discovery 14:03:09 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#20_September_2021 14:05:20 jkrhb has joined #wot-discovery 14:05:48 acimmino has joined #wot-discovery 14:06:06 present+ Andrea_Cimmino, Tomoaki_Mizushima 14:06:11 scribenick: jkrhb 14:06:19 topic: minutes 14:06:34 -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/13-wot-discovery-minutes.html Sep-13 14:07:13 mm: created a PR for issue #193 14:07:21 ... we can discuss it today 14:07:50 mm: There is a typo under issue 185 14:07:58 ... no other problems, however 14:08:13 ... any comments? 14:08:21 There are no objections 14:08:46 mm goes over today's agenda 14:09:03 topic: PRs 14:09:23 rrsagent, make log public 14:09:31 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:09:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/20-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:09:41 mm: Let's deal with PR #220 first 14:10:19 ... this resolves issue #200 14:10:41 ... There is another PR which might cause conflicts, but let's merge this PR first 14:10:56 i|Let's|subtopic: PR 220| 14:11:11 i|Let's|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/220 PR 220 - Fix assertion in section 5| 14:12:42 ... adds consistency by using assertions in certain sections 14:13:06 ... IDs and classes look good, we can go ahead and merge after looking at the preview 14:13:10 chair: McCool 14:14:01 ... exploration and introduction should be clarified in the "Introduction Mechanisms" section 14:14:27 mm: Not an issue with this PR, however 14:14:44 mm: Are there any objections to merging this PR? 14:15:01 No objections, mm proceeds with merging 14:15:41 PR 220 has been merged 14:15:59 subtopic: PR 221 14:16:51 mm explains the issues with the current "Introduction Mechanisms" intro 14:17:38 mm: text said result of introduction can be a URL or a TD but it is always a URL at this stage 14:18:30 mm: There is currently a conflict that has to be fixed before merging 14:18:38 i|explains|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/221 PR 221 - Update intro to introduction mechanisms| 14:19:20 mm resolves the merge conflict 14:20:38 mm brings up the rendered preview for a walkthrough 14:21:18 mm: "Discovery" is replaced with "initial contact" 14:21:32 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/mmccool/wot-discovery/pull/221.html#introduction-mech Preview - 5. Introduction Mechanisms 14:21:41 ... intro clarifies that multiple introduction mechanisms are possible 14:22:08 ... the two phases are now seperated in a better way 14:22:40 ... merging of results is now being mentioned 14:24:14 mm: There is a similar issue in the following (sub)sections that requires clarification 14:24:54 ... mostly in "Direct" and "Well-known URIs" 14:25:23 mm: Any comments on this PR? 14:26:03 mm: I suggest merging this PR and then do more clean-up later 14:26:17 There are no objections to merging the PR 14:26:57 mm adds a comment to the PR about future clarifications and proceeds with merging 14:27:34 mm: With the merging of #221 we can consider issue #200 resolved 14:27:48 ... issue #193 has been resolved as well 14:28:29 mm closes issues #200 and #193 14:29:03 subtopic: PR 222 14:29:40 mm: I opened this PR with regard to brownfield devices that don't support discovery natively 14:29:51 i|222|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/200 Issue 200 - Implementing a DNS-based approach, are DNS-SD and mDNS mandatory?| 14:30:13 i|222|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/193 Issue 193 - Assertions removed by mistake for Introductions?| 14:30:37 ... the PR introduces the concept of a separate "Discovery" 14:31:03 i|opened|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/222 PR 222 - Discoverer| 14:31:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:31:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/20-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz 14:32:02 mm: Any objections to merging this PR? 14:32:15 ... not sure if it is the right place but we can always refactor it later 14:32:27 ... I am not hearing any objections 14:32:38 mm proceeds with merging PR #222 14:33:16 https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/216 14:33:18 mm: With the merge of PR #222 we can close issue #216 now 14:33:40 subtopic: PR 223 14:34:01 ft: This PR solves the issue Ege was raising about the input 14:34:41 mm: We also need a note explaining the type, looks like an empty object to me 14:34:53 i|This PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/223 PR 223 - Add object types to actions| 14:35:00 ft: We have the content-type describing that it is a TD 14:35:26 mm: The output depends on your schema 14:35:38 ... can also be a string 14:35:56 mm: Maybe we should first get some feedback 14:36:05 mm adds comments to the PR 14:38:17 mm: Maybe the type should be oneOf object, number, string, ... 14:38:43 ft: The changes actually aligns it with the specification 14:38:56 ... we are waiting for the specification of JSONPath, however 14:39:57 ... in JSON path some clarification is still required 14:40:08 mm: I assume schema is optional in TD spec 14:40:34 ... type: "object" probably does not describe an empty object as additionalProperties is always true 14:40:42 ... therefore I assume this is probably okay 14:41:16 ft: Everything is optional in DataSchema 14:41:35 mm: Probably not a problem then 14:41:47 ... this should probably be explained, though 14:41:55 ... in the text 14:42:05 ft: In the text it should be clear 14:42:35 mm opens the preview for reviewing the changes 14:43:26 ft: In "Creation", for example, there is a paragraph regrading the validation of TD objects 14:45:14 mm adds a comment to the PR saying that there should be an additional sentence regarding the output schema of the action 14:45:48 ft: It could also be part of a description 14:46:02 mm amends his comment on the PR 14:46:32 ft will clean up the PR accordingly 14:48:23 mm adds a label to issue #182 saying that a PR is available 14:48:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/182 related issue 182 - TDD TD: Don't Actions need an input field 14:50:48 topic: DID 14:51:02 mm: I created a joint call for DID 14:51:28 ... there is a dedicated label for DID, some issues could probably be closed 14:51:48 ... some of them are older than a year 14:52:46 ... an extra PR might be needed for clean-up and clarifications, for example with regard to issue #201 14:52:53 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/201 14:53:46 i|created|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/982 wot issue 982 - Joint call with DID| 14:53:57 mm: DID could be useful for distributing keys 14:54:46 ... is also related to signing TDs, but there has to be a signature mechanism defined before 14:55:26 ... DID could also be used to resolve encryption for secure local transport 14:55:51 q? 14:55:58 mm: We should talk to the DID guys and discuss the possibilities for enabling local HTTPS 14:57:24 ... there are some issues that have to be resolved before actually being able to recommend using DID 14:58:12 mm: In general, there are a lot of issues that are probably able to be close, I will go through them and add "Propose closing" labels 14:58:28 topic: Cancellations 14:58:40 mm: Plugfest and F2F are coming up 14:59:06 ... normally we cancel meetings but there is a lot to do at the moment 15:00:10 ... I propose going to 2 hour meetings 15:01:02 ... the meetings next week and the week after are cancelled due to Plugfest and F2F 15:01:21 ... October 11 will be a 2 hour meeting then 15:01:50 ... October 4 will be a 1 hour meeting, however, to prepare for F2F 15:02:27 October 18 will also be a 2 hour meeting 15:03:04 i|October 18| ... 15:03:21 mm: I will update the cancellation section accordingly 15:03:47 ... October 25 will be cancelled as well 15:04:31 s/October 18/... October 18/ 15:04:41 [adjourned] 15:04:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:04:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/20-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz