15:04:49 RRSAgent has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:04:49 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-irc 15:04:51 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:04:52 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jo_ 15:05:13 Meeting: Market Data Rights Automation Teleconference 15:05:19 chair: ben 15:05:24 scribe: jo 15:06:00 regrets: michelle, atif, chris 15:06:25 present: flora, laura, jo, ben, nigel, markb, caspar 15:06:47 Topic: Admin 15:07:25 ben: No admin items to discuss 15:07:39 Topic: New terms 15:08:24 ben: I was asked to sharpen the definition of temporal constraint and reporting code 15:08:57 ... unique identifier pointing to the data package or information product to be reported against 15:09:53 ... also called product code 15:10:18 RESOLUTION: The current definition is clear 15:12:04 present+ adam, olga, john_ikel 15:12:13 present+ rmason 15:13:51 (group further noted similarities between definition of reporting code and permissions) 15:14:20 Topic: clarify distinction between two constraints 15:14:58 ben: timeliness of delivery (6.1.2) distion between real-time data and so on when do we receive it vs when can we use it 15:15:45 ... whereas temporal refers to data already in the system, as distinct from how quickly is data delivered into the system 15:16:13 ... temporal 6.1.8 15:16:53 ben: can add two examples 15:17:46 nigel: is timeliness of delivery a temporal constraint, only with the time relative to now rather than absolute 15:18:02 ben: yes, probably 15:18:17 ... could be regarded as a sub-property 15:18:40 ... but worth calling out as it's important to contracts 15:18:55 nigel: don't want two different ways of expressing the same idea 15:19:17 markb: does temporal refine timeliness of delivery 15:19:26 ben: think it's the other way round 15:19:41 ... historical is not covered by timeliness of delivery 15:20:28 nigel: also historical becomes a time sequence 15:21:14 ... do we need soemthing in here that informs people when they should use one rather than the other 15:21:39 ben: the delivery issues are the focus of the timeliness of delivery 15:21:59 ... temporal refers to date range of historical data 15:22:26 markb: is the problem with the use of the term 'temporal' 15:22:41 ben: reason is that other ontologies use the term in similar way 15:23:55 ben: we are looking for a scope note explaining when to use the porperties 15:24:10 s/porperties/properties/ 15:24:52 ACTION: Ben to add scope note clarifying when the one term is used as opposed to the other (temporal/timeliness of delivery) 15:25:13 Topic: Vote on whether to publish draft 15:27:02 (jo explains what the point of first public draft is, including the implicit need to record the feedback and make formal responses) 15:27:15 ben: are we happy with saying we are at that point? 15:27:25 markb: yes I think we are 15:27:37 markd: we have cleared the bar for what is needed in a draft 15:28:00 present+ markd 15:28:49 laura: yes, I think it's a good point to call the draft official 15:30:15 jo: are we done with references and so on, acknowledgements? 15:30:57 ben: yes, believe so, will add acknowledgements 15:31:54 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will publish this as a public working draft and formally invite comments 15:32:19 RESOLUTION: We will publish this as a public working draft and formally invite comments 15:32:57 NigelP has joined #md-odrl-profile 15:33:22 Topic: next steps 15:33:39 ben: how often should we meet, what is our focus and what kinds of communications 15:33:52 ... starting with communications 15:34:29 ... historically through industry events, draft may not be enough to hold a specific event 15:34:38 ... need soemthing a bit more substantial 15:35:10 ... implementation work reaching a demo-able stage would be a good reason for doing an event 15:36:24 laura: for publicity and to show progress on implementation work, we should show at WFIC in Prague, October 2022 15:36:55 ... that would be the most comprehensive conference 15:37:25 ... could book some time 15:38:08 johnI: I'm meeting David Anderson tomorrow, do you want me to have a word, please give me a script 15:38:18 ben: thanks 15:39:00 markb: we're moving to an implementation phase 15:39:35 ... periodic communication in period leading up to that event 15:40:21 ben: yes great use of the communiity group, and use it to discuss implementation issues, move to monthly cadence 15:41:16 markd: yes, need to think about the tangible things, what resources are going to be needed etc. seems like less an exchange product more a client/vendor thing 15:41:27 markb: yes, looks that way 15:41:56 ben: another vehicle is cloud data management council? can adam give insight into that? 15:42:37 ... feel that cloud will be quickest implementation 15:42:53 adam: everyone is distributing their data through us 15:43:08 ... don't have people piloting on us (AWS) 15:43:45 ... need someone who wants to pilot ... some customers use kafka/kubernetes and the permissions are on the topics 15:44:00 ben: can collaborate and make some noise about it 15:44:56 adam: one of the things that hasn't been solved is how militant people want to be about location 15:45:25 ... there are tax implications 15:45:55 ... so it's a semi-fair point 15:46:13 ben: do we want to move to monthly pattern 15:47:33 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Group will move to monthly (4 weekly) working pattern 15:49:42 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Grpoup will move to meeting 2nd Wednesday of the month from now on 15:50:33 RESOLUTION: Group will move to meeting 2nd Wednesday of the month from now on (next meeting 13th October) 15:51:36 ACTION: Ben to request change in Zoom booking (if necessary) 15:52:14 Topic: AOB 15:52:38 ben: have a PhD student working on formal underpinnings of the ODRL formality 15:53:48 --- meeting closed 15:54:02 rrsagent, make minutes 15:54:02 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 15:54:31 rrsagent, make logs public 15:54:40 rrsagent, make minutes 15:54:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 15:56:27 ....back on the Zoom if you want a chat ... 16:27:32 s/....back on the Zoom if you want a chat ...// 16:30:11 scribeoptions: -nodraft -oldStyle 16:30:22 rrsagent, make minutes 16:30:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-md-odrl-profile-minutes.html jo_ 16:39:39 s/soemthing/something/ 16:49:15 ben has left #md-odrl-profile 17:31:06 Zakim has left #md-odrl-profile