IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2021-09-15
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- 19:55:48 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
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- present*
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- present+
- 20:00:58 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- present+
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- meeting: DCAT subgroup
- 20:01:36 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.15
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- present+
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- 20:04:48 [AndreaPerego]
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- 20:09:02 [AndreaPerego]
- gaia-x: https://www.data-infrastructure.eu/GAIAX/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html
- 20:15:00 [alejandra]
- present+
- 20:15:16 [AndreaPerego]
- scribenick: AndreaPerego
- 20:15:25 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 20:15:30 [AndreaPerego]
- topic: approve last week meeting agenda
- 20:15:31 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:15:32 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:15:35 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:15:38 [alejandra]
- 0 (was absent)
- 20:15:45 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:15:49 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:15:55 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
- 20:16:02 [AndreaPerego]
- topic: approve agenda
- 20:16:10 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.15
- 20:16:25 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:16:29 [alejandra]
- +1
- 20:16:34 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:16:46 [AndreaPerego]
- topic: Pending PRs
- 20:17:07 [AndreaPerego]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: About https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1401
- 20:17:49 [AndreaPerego]
- ... This is trying to implement the proposal from Bert to remove the axioms in the DCAT RDF not included in the spec.
- 20:18:40 [AndreaPerego]
- ... IMO the proposal makes sense. But we need to check whether some of the axioms make sense in DCAT3.
- 20:19:21 [alejandra]
- +1 to creating issues for the axioms in DCAT3
- 20:19:26 [AndreaPerego]
- ... Should we create specific issues on them? Other options.
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- 1+
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- s/1+//
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- q+
- 20:19:54 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:20:18 [alejandra]
- AndreaPerego: how many axioms are there that are in the RDF but not in the specification?
- 20:20:24 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego: How many axioms are to be deleted?
- 20:20:35 [AndreaPerego]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: They are three.
- 20:21:45 [AndreaPerego]
- PWinstanley: The first one doesn't seem to be right. So, maybe we can remove them.
- 20:22:56 [alejandra]
- q+
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- q+
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- ack alejandra
- 20:23:36 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: Do you know where these axioms are coming from?
- 20:23:48 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack alejandra
- 20:24:15 [AndreaPerego]
- ... Maybe we can add an errata.
- 20:25:30 [AndreaPerego]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: Adding an errata may affect the REC.
- 20:25:53 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q?
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- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:26:16 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: In any case we should verify where these axioms were discussed in GitHub before taking a decision.
- 20:29:10 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego: Tentatively, I would support dropping them, as they may have an impact on re-usability.
- 20:29:44 [alejandra]
- should we first vote on dropping the axioms from the RDF in DCAT2?
- 20:30:21 [AndreaPerego]
- proposed: we are going to drop the axioms from the RDF of DCAT2
- 20:30:27 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:30:33 [alejandra]
- +1
- 20:30:36 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:30:36 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:30:55 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:31:00 [AndreaPerego]
- resolved: we are going to drop the axioms from the RDF of DCAT2
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- 20:32:13 [AndreaPerego]
- proposed: we create an issue to discuss all the axioms, and then, if need be, we create separate ones
- 20:32:19 [AndreaPerego]
- +1
- 20:32:28 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- +1
- 20:32:38 [PWinstanley]
- +1
- 20:32:42 [DaveBrowning]
- +1
- 20:33:00 [alejandra]
- +1
- 20:33:10 [AndreaPerego]
- resolved: we create an issue to discuss all the axioms, and then, if need be, we create separate ones
- 20:33:35 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/166
- 20:33:47 [AndreaPerego]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: The last aspect is the discussion in DCAT-AP ^^
- 20:34:00 [AndreaPerego]
- ... The question is what is normative and what is not.
- 20:34:53 [AndreaPerego]
- ... The fact that only the HTML is normative is explicitly mentioned in the RDF.
- 20:35:11 [AndreaPerego]
- ... What said in the HTML colophon is probably not so visible / clear.
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- q+
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- q+
- 20:36:04 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:37:43 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack alejandra
- 20:38:16 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Normative
- 20:38:40 [DaveBrowning]
- q+
- 20:38:49 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego: The fact that the HTML is the normative part is a general rule at W3C, so I don't think we should have anything - especially because we have already this clarification in the RDF.
- 20:38:50 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack DaveBrowning
- 20:39:23 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: Agree, but it may be worth making this clear for people who are not familiar with this W3C rule.
- 20:41:43 [alejandra]
- q+
- 20:41:55 [AndreaPerego]
- DaveBrowning: Providing a pointer to something non normative may sound pointing to something not reliable. At least this how the message can be understood.
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- q+
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- 20:42:44 [PWinstanley]
- q+
- 20:42:53 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack alejandra
- 20:43:05 [alejandra]
- https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#N-I-sections
- 20:43:13 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: A suggestion: I you look at ^^
- 20:43:36 [alejandra]
- https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#RDF-representation
- 20:43:52 [AndreaPerego]
- ... it explains the reason behind the normative / non-normative issue
- 20:44:38 [AndreaPerego]
- ... Based on that, we can just say that the RDF is provided as an informative complement to the REC.
- 20:44:50 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q?
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- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:48:11 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack PWinstanley
- 20:48:18 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego: I wonder whether this clarification may be confusing, as we are saying something different from what was in DCAT2.
- 20:48:48 [alejandra]
- +q
- 20:49:17 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: I don't agree. We had already to add or revise to clarify issues. And there are also parts of the document when we use "normative" (as for the mappings) that may be confusing.
- 20:49:53 [DaveBrowning]
- q+
- 20:50:03 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- 20:50:09 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack alejandra
- 20:50:21 [alejandra]
- https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#RDF-representation
- 20:51:11 [alejandra]
- e.g. https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/
- 20:52:06 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q?
- 20:53:29 [PWinstanley]
- suggest that we need to have within the Primer area a 'getting started' section that includes desciption of the artifacts and describes what 'normative' means and which parts of the artifacts are normative
- 20:53:35 [AndreaPerego]
- DaveBrowning: There's also the issue about the translation of the label names.
- 20:53:53 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
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- ack DaveBrowning
- 20:54:01 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack DaveBrowning
- 20:54:07 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 20:54:13 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q?
- 20:55:03 [AndreaPerego]
- AndreaPerego: How many issues were reporting the misunderstanding about the fact that the RDF in non-normative?
- 20:55:52 [AndreaPerego]
- RiccardoAlbertoni: This one explicitly, but others may be related.
- 20:56:44 [alejandra]
- +q
- 20:57:01 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- q?
- 20:57:32 [alejandra]
- https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/166#issuecomment-917912937
- 20:58:35 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: I think that clarifying is not a problem. But I think that from Bert's comment ^^ is clear that they are aware about the normative / non-normative part.
- 20:59:36 [AndreaPerego]
- q+
- 20:59:46 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack alejandra
- 20:59:59 [RiccardoAlbertoni]
- ack AndreaPerego
- 21:02:39 [AndreaPerego]
- alejandra: Anyway, I don't see issues in adding a clarification.
- 21:02:50 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- 21:09:27 [AndreaPerego]
- [meeting adjourned]
- 21:09:29 [AndreaPerego]
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- 21:10:33 [AndreaPerego]
- chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
- 21:10:35 [AndreaPerego]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 21:10:35 [RRSAgent]
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