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20:01:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> meeting: DCAT subgroup
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20:01:49 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.15
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20:09:02 <AndreaPerego> gaia-x: https://www.data-infrastructure.eu/GAIAX/Navigation/EN/Home/home.html
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20:15:25 <RiccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:15:30 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve last week meeting agenda
20:15:31 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:15:32 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:15:35 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:15:38 <alejandra> 0 (was absent)
20:15:45 <PWinstanley> +1
20:15:49 <PWinstanley> +1
20:15:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:16:02 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
20:16:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.15
20:16:25 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:16:29 <alejandra> +1
20:16:34 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:16:46 <AndreaPerego> topic: Pending PRs
20:17:07 <AndreaPerego> RiccardoAlbertoni: About https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1401
20:17:49 <AndreaPerego> ... This is trying to implement the proposal from Bert to remove the axioms in the DCAT RDF not included in the spec.
20:18:40 <AndreaPerego> ... IMO the proposal makes sense. But we need to check whether some of the axioms make sense in DCAT3.
20:19:21 <alejandra> +1 to creating issues for the axioms in DCAT3
20:19:26 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we create specific issues on them? Other options.
20:19:27 <AndreaPerego> 1+
20:19:42 <AndreaPerego> s/1+//
20:19:45 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:19:54 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:20:18 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: how many axioms are there that are in the RDF but not in the specification?
20:20:24 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: How many axioms are to be deleted?
20:20:35 <AndreaPerego> RiccardoAlbertoni: They are three.
20:21:45 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: The first one doesn't seem to be right. So, maybe we can remove them.
20:22:56 <alejandra> q+
20:23:07 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:23:17 <AndreaPerego> ack alejandra
20:23:36 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Do you know where these axioms are coming from?
20:23:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:24:15 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe we can add an errata.
20:25:30 <AndreaPerego> RiccardoAlbertoni: Adding an errata may affect the REC.
20:25:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:26:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:26:16 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: In any case we should verify where these axioms were discussed in GitHub before taking a decision.
20:29:10 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Tentatively, I would support dropping them, as they may have an impact on re-usability.
20:29:44 <alejandra> should we first vote on dropping the axioms from the RDF in DCAT2?
20:30:21 <AndreaPerego> proposed: we are going to drop the axioms from the RDF of DCAT2
20:30:27 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:30:33 <alejandra> +1
20:30:36 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:30:36 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:30:55 <PWinstanley> +1
20:31:00 <AndreaPerego> resolved: we are going to drop the axioms from the RDF of DCAT2
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20:32:13 <AndreaPerego> proposed: we create an issue to discuss all the axioms, and then, if need be, we create separate ones
20:32:19 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:32:28 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:32:38 <PWinstanley> +1
20:32:42 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:33:00 <alejandra> +1
20:33:10 <AndreaPerego> resolved: we create an issue to discuss all the axioms, and then, if need be, we create separate ones
20:33:35 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/166
20:33:47 <AndreaPerego> RiccardoAlbertoni: The last aspect is the discussion in DCAT-AP ^^
20:34:00 <AndreaPerego> ... The question is what is normative and what is not.
20:34:53 <AndreaPerego> ... The fact that only the HTML is normative is explicitly mentioned in the RDF.
20:35:11 <AndreaPerego> ... What said in the HTML colophon is probably not so visible / clear.
20:35:14 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:35:53 <alejandra> q+
20:36:04 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:37:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:38:16 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#Normative
20:38:40 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:38:49 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: The fact that the HTML is the normative part is a general rule at W3C, so I don't think we should have anything - especially because we have already this clarification in the RDF.
20:38:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
20:39:23 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Agree, but it may be worth making this clear for people who are not familiar with this W3C rule.
20:41:43 <alejandra> q+
20:41:55 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Providing a pointer to something non normative may sound pointing to something not reliable. At least this how the message can be understood.
20:41:58 <AndreaPerego> q+
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20:42:44 <PWinstanley> q+
20:42:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:43:05 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/#N-I-sections
20:43:13 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: A suggestion: I you look at ^^
20:43:36 <alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#RDF-representation
20:43:52 <AndreaPerego> ... it explains the reason behind the normative / non-normative issue
20:44:38 <AndreaPerego> ... Based on that, we can just say that the RDF is provided as an informative complement to the REC.
20:44:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:44:54 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:48:11 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack PWinstanley
20:48:18 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I wonder whether this clarification may be confusing, as we are saying something different from what was in DCAT2.
20:48:48 <alejandra> +q
20:49:17 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I don't agree. We had already to add or revise to clarify issues. And there are also parts of the document when we use "normative" (as for the mappings) that may be confusing.
20:49:53 <DaveBrowning> q+
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20:50:09 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:50:21 <alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#RDF-representation
20:51:11 <alejandra> e.g. https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/
20:52:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:53:29 <PWinstanley> suggest that we need to have within the Primer area a 'getting started' section that includes desciption of the artifacts and describes what 'normative' means and which parts of the artifacts are normative
20:53:35 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: There's also the issue about the translation of the label names.
20:53:53 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:53:58 <AndreaPerego> ack DaveBrowning
20:54:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
20:54:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:54:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:55:03 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: How many issues were reporting the misunderstanding about the fact that the RDF in non-normative?
20:55:52 <AndreaPerego> RiccardoAlbertoni: This one explicitly, but others may be related.
20:56:44 <alejandra> +q
20:57:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:57:32 <alejandra> https://github.com/SEMICeu/DCAT-AP/issues/166#issuecomment-917912937
20:58:35 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I think that clarifying is not a problem. But I think that from Bert's comment ^^ is clear that they are aware about the normative / non-normative part.
20:59:36 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:59:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack  alejandra
20:59:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:02:39 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Anyway, I don't see issues in adding a clarification.
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21:09:27 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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21:10:33 <AndreaPerego> chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:10:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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