IRC log of pbgsc on 2021-09-10

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Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:57:51 [Ralph]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2021Sep/0000.html
14:58:46 [tzviya]
present+
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-> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/09-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 9 July
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15:01:38 [dauwhe]
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15:01:52 [ivan]
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scribe+ dauwhe
15:02:05 [Ralph]
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regrets+ Cristina
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present+ George
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present+ Daihei
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present+ WendyReid
15:04:28 [dauwhe]
tzviya: let's get started
15:04:48 [Ralph]
topic: Publishing@W3C Public Seminar next Tuesday
15:04:52 [avneeshsingh]
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https://www.w3.org/2021/09/publishing-seminar/
15:05:03 [avneeshsingh]
present+
15:05:04 [dauwhe]
tzviya: I hope you all saw the invitation to this open meeting
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... thanks to those who recorded videos
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... no thanks to those who didn't
15:05:36 [dauwhe]
... let's come up with some questions in advance
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... in case the audience is quiet
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... I will start by introducing people and giving a 3-min intro
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... then open the floor to questions
15:06:17 [dauwhe]
... have people watched the videos yet?
15:06:22 [dauwhe]
... there's a lot on a11y
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... audiobooks
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... CG
15:06:59 [mateus]
present+
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... any thoughts on potential questions?
15:07:00 [Ralph]
-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingcg/2021Sep/0000.html Join us for Publishing@W3C Open Discussion, 14 September, 2021
15:07:04 [mateus]
q+
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ack Ralph
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Ralph: thanks to Tzviya and everyone who provided content and advvice
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15:07:53 [George]
present+
15:07:55 [dauwhe]
... Karen has been meeting with potential members
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... in every one of those meetings, their top interest is a11y
15:08:35 [dauwhe]
... what is wcag 2.2? what is wcag 3? what is epub a11y doing?
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... they nod and smile about improvements to EPUB spec
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... but a11y is #1
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15:10:06 [dauwhe]
... we're doing a lot on a11y, but there are probably other issues
15:10:34 [wendyreid]
q+
15:10:35 [tzviya]
ack mateus
15:10:35 [dauwhe]
... what more do we need to do to advance digital publishing?
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mateus: we've had trouble with engagement
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15:11:10 [dauwhe]
... lots of change in the industry
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... people aren't energized about work generally
15:11:29 [dauwhe]
... could we start telegraphing more exciting new work we are plannign for the future
15:11:40 [dauwhe]
... what's next?
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... for EPUB? For a11y?
15:12:00 [tzviya]
q+ to talk about call on Oct 27
15:12:01 [dauwhe]
... how our work depends on community participation
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ack wendyreid
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... how people can participate with no tech background
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wendyreid: we should talk about task forces
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... the WG is boring, talking about obscure issues
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... but interesting work is happening in the task force
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... locaters, FXL a11y, a11y in general
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... what else is going on?
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q?
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q+
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... some might be in a future epub
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tzviya: we have a 10/27 call for what happens after EPUB 3.3
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... we could give people a chance to summarize
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... Mateus could talk about the CG and new ideas
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... Wendy could talk about the WG
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q+
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15:14:49 [Zakim]
tzviya, you wanted to talk about call on Oct 27
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ack ge
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ack ge
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George: responding to Mateus
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... I'm shocked that we have still pictures in books where a short video would be much more constructive
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... like the battle of gettysburg
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... we have to resolve these kinds of issues
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... otherwise we're viewed as being stodgy
15:15:51 [liisamk]
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ack mat
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ack mateus
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mateus: ideas for the future...
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... I'm on board with energizing folks
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... one challenge is that, even if we get people excited
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... we can't accomplish anyone without participation
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... when people see that we're not acting on ideas, they will stop participating
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... if we're sharing ideas, we need an action plan
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... otherwise we'll alienate the community
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ack liisamk
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liisamk: re: George
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... people did books with embedded video
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... didn't have much support from reading systems
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... didn't have a way to use only one file
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... problem with poster frames
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... so people just don't do it
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... we need engagement for implementation
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... or some best practices for people to buy into
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tzviya: because of limitations of reading systems we can't deliver the youtube experience
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15:20:01 [dauwhe]
... the immersive experience doesn't work
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... user experience is not good in epub for these things
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... if we can get over that hurdle it will be better
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... but right now people will use hte web for that
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s/hte/the/
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+1
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q+
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... hopefully y'all will be there on September 14
15:21:50 [tzviya]
ack liisamk
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liisamk: should we send questions to this mailing list?
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15:22:01 [dauwhe]
tzviya: yes, please.
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... I'll call on people to ask their own questions.
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Topic: planning for TPAC
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tzviya: we've talked about various sessions
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15:23:09 [dauwhe]
... what are the EPUB sessions?
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... EPUB is hosting our own session
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... meeting with APA
15:23:54 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
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ivan: we don't know because PING will have a call next week with us
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15:24:03 [dauwhe]
... that may end up as joint meeting at TPAC
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... from our POV we don't need a meeting with i18n
15:24:31 [dauwhe]
... same for CSS, no open issues
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... APA will have a meeting with EPUB
15:24:58 [avneeshsingh]
q+
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ack av
15:25:02 [tzviya]
ack avneeshsingh
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avneeshsingh: two hours on 28th with APA
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... topic: horizontal review, then discussion of paralell work with css and other groups
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... and spoken pronunciation
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... there's a task force under APA
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... how pronunciation can help in publishing
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15:26:03 [dauwhe]
... most things are not epub-specific
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... meeting on Oct 25 Monday, objective is brainstorming for a11y metadata values used by various groups
15:26:43 [dauwhe]
... should we use process 2021 regestries?
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q?
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tzviya: will the BG meet?
15:27:10 [dauwhe]
liisamk: we were thinking about a conference day
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... but given the schedule we might just have our regular meeting during TPAC and then do conference day the next month
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tzviya: week of 25th is for joint meetings
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tzviya: what's the CG planning?
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mateus: we'll have a regular meeting, talking about road-mapping our priorities
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... scheduling the work we want to do
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tzviya: CG and WG chairs should meet
15:28:36 [dauwhe]
mateus: yeah, let's strategize together
15:28:44 [dauwhe]
tzviya: maybe before the call on the 27th
15:28:47 [dauwhe]
mateus: great
15:29:12 [dauwhe]
tzviya: ralph, you asked about encouraging broader participation
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... Ralph might not be here
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... are there sessions that would be good for potential members to observe
15:29:45 [dauwhe]
... probably not regestries ;)
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liisamk: does it make sense to open our BG meeting the week before to any potential new members
15:30:13 [dauwhe]
... we are going to talk about business needs of epub next
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tzviya: which day?
15:30:33 [dauwhe]
liisamk: maybe it should be 19th?
15:30:37 [dauwhe]
tzviya: OK
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15:30:53 [dauwhe]
... is the epub.next call public?
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wendyreid: I think so?
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tzviya: we could just invite them?
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liisamk: we're looking for an asia BG call next week
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... so we can follow up on videos
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tzviya: karen would like to know about sessions that might be good for potential members
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tzviya: anything else?
15:33:16 [dauwhe]
George: is there was a spot where we can see the calendar for that week?
15:33:22 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:33:28 [dauwhe]
tzviya: there's a link but it might not be accurate yet
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... it's up to the chairs to fill out
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15:34:13 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/
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... there are also breakout sessions at TPAC
15:34:54 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/SessionIdeas
15:35:32 [dauwhe]
tzviya: (describing sessions)
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... and you can propose a session
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... anything else?
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(crickets)
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... thanks everyone!
15:36:37 [tzviya]
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15:36:38 [dauwhe]
zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, mateus, dauwhe, ivan, Ralph, liisamk, George, Daihei, WendyReid, avneeshsingh
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15:36:43 [Zakim]
I am happy to have been of service, dauwhe; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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RRSAgent: bye
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I see no action items