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12:02:22 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:02:27 <kaz> chair: McCool
12:02:33 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
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12:02:47 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Kunihiko_Toumura
12:06:47 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner
12:06:54 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:07:29 <dape> scribe: dape
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12:08:15 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes review
12:08:26 <dape> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-minutes.html
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12:08:39 <kaz> s/html/html Sep-1/
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12:11:30 <dape> ... no objections -> minutes approved
12:11:40 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
12:11:54 <dape> MMC: DIoT Workshop
12:12:22 <dape> ... travelling might be problematic
12:12:58 <dape> ... issue on WoT page 28 oct Sept 2 should become 27 Oct Sep 1
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12:13:41 <dape> MMC: Joint session with WoT Japanese CG?
12:13:48 <dape> Kaz: Not planned
12:13:50 <kaz> s/27 Oct Sep 1/Sep 27-Oct 1/
12:13:59 <dape> TOPIC: TPAC 2021 planning
12:14:11 <dape> MMC: need to confirm the dates
12:14:13 <kaz> s/planned/planned but the item has been added to the vF2F wiki's "not scheduled" section :)/
12:14:32 <dape> ... grab extra day(s) for open day(s)
12:14:42 <dape> ... interesting for new companies
12:14:51 <dape> ... Need to decide on times also
12:14:59 <dape> ... need to fill in topics
12:15:02 <kaz> present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
12:15:58 <dape> ... wiki (with dates et cetera) will be updated by Friday
12:16:12 <dape> ... wiki -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021
12:16:53 <dape> ... please let me know if you encounter issues with the tables and dates
12:18:18 <dape> ... Oct 5 and 7 we have vF2F
12:18:35 <dape> ... suggest to have open day in week October 11 to October 15
12:18:54 <dape> ... in week October 25 to October 29: vF2F and Joint Meetings
12:20:33 <dape> ... we also have breakout table for the week from October 26 to October 30
12:21:25 <dape> MMC: I updated F2F planning section
12:21:58 <dape> ... suggest to create issue (and labels) for issues
12:22:50 <dape> ... we use https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues repo
12:23:36 <dape> ML: Beneficial to follow-up with automotive?
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12:24:13 <dape> MMC: Agree, let's add Automotive to groups to meet
12:24:16 <dezell> present+ David_Ezell
12:24:44 <dape> ... any other group?
12:25:20 <dape> Kaz: Automotive group no longer exists but still active
12:26:04 <kaz> s/Automotive group no longer exists but still active/Automotive working on APIs and Ontologies, so would make sense to have joint discussion/
12:26:33 <dape> Kaz: joint discussion about streaming data makes sense
12:26:56 <dape> ... talk about possible use-cases with MEIG
12:27:44 <dape> ... and Web Transport
12:28:03 <kaz> rrsagent, make draft public
12:28:03 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft public', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:28:10 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:28:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:28:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:28:25 <dape> ML: I can reach out to Automotive (I have 1 contact)
12:28:40 <dape> MMC: DID and VC same group?
12:28:48 <dape> Kaz: different groups
12:29:21 <dape> MMC: To all: reach out to groups
12:29:53 <mlagally> q+
12:29:54 <dape> ... having said that, we might need more time
12:30:07 <kaz> q+
12:30:14 <dape> ... otherwise we would need other slots
12:30:22 <dape> ... can figure out problem later
12:30:51 <dape> ML: On groups meetings. Does it make sense to have tentative goal?
12:31:07 <dape> ... idea of an agenda? possible outcome
12:31:22 <dape> MMC: Suggest to create issue with proposed agenda
12:31:36 <dape> Kaz: Can re-use template from last year
12:31:45 <dape> MMC: Exactly
12:34:47 <dape> ... Template -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/981
12:35:08 <dape> ... we might also link the issue from wiki
12:35:17 <dape> q?
12:35:20 <dape> ack mlagally
12:36:13 <dape> Kaz: w.r.t. JSON-LD
12:36:21 <dape> ... JSON-LD is in maintenance mode
12:36:50 <dape> ... maybe talk with DID and JSON-LD experts at teh same time
12:36:58 <dape> MMC: I see
12:37:07 <dape> s/teh same/the same
12:37:55 <dape> Kaz: I can talk to MiniApp group
12:38:00 <dape> MMC: OK
12:39:13 <dape> Kaz: Suggest to add "WoT Japanese CG" also
12:39:19 <dape> ack kaz
12:41:20 <dape> Kaz: wonder whether we can make extra *free* week (October 11 to October 15) as open week
12:41:48 <dape> MMC: Yes, meetings with external groups
12:42:02 <kaz> s/free/open/
12:42:20 <kaz> s/*open*/*free*/
12:42:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:42:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:43:19 <dape> MMC: We might need to setup a Doodle
12:43:22 <kaz> s/open week/open week or not/
12:43:51 <dape> .. or use the same slots again as in the other weeks
12:44:32 <dape> MMC: 2-3 hours sessions a day
12:44:52 <dape> Kaz: will create Doodle
12:45:18 <dape> MMC: Need to have resolution for the dates
12:46:07 <McCool> proposal: adopt the proposed schedule as follows: Plugfest Sept 27-Oct 1; vF2F Oct 5, 7, 27, 28, 29; and Joint meetings Oct 25-29
12:46:47 <kaz> s/2-3 hours sessions a day/need to choose 2 x 3-hour sessions (6 hours in total)/
12:46:59 <McCool> proposal: adopt the following schedule: Plugfest Sept 27-Oct 1; vF2F Oct 5, 7, 27, 28, 29; and Joint meetings Oct 25-29
12:47:29 <McCool> resolution: Adopt the following schedule - Plugfest Sept 27-Oct 1; vF2F Oct 5, 7, 27, 28, 29; and Joint meetings Oct 25-29
12:48:13 <dape> MMC: will update https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings by Friday
12:48:23 <dape> TOPIC: Charters
12:48:47 <dape> Kaz: final draft online, see https://www.w3.org/2019/10/wot-ig-2019.html
12:49:09 <dape> ... no comments from I18N
12:49:21 <dape> ... WG -> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/wot-wg-charter.html
12:49:42 <dape> MMC: It seems we can proceed
12:50:31 <dape> TOPIC: Smart Cities
12:50:37 <dape> Kaz: no updates
12:51:01 <dape> ... I organize breakout session
12:51:31 <dape> TOPIC: Testing
12:51:45 <dape> MMC: Ege is still not back but I plan to have testing call
12:51:51 <kaz> s/no comments from I18N/no objections from the horizontal groups, so we'd move ahead./
12:52:14 <kaz> s/It seems we can proceed/let's continue the discussion on the WG Charter./
12:52:29 <dape> MMC: we may discuss PlugFest topics
12:52:36 <dape> ... rather short meeting
12:52:49 <kaz> s/I organize/I'll update the draft Smart Cities IG Charter, and also will organize/
12:53:17 <dape> ... repo exists, see https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2021.06.Online
12:53:24 <dape> ... need to get organized
12:53:30 <dape> ... what about VPN?
12:53:48 <dape> Kaz: We should clarify logistics in Testing call
12:53:59 <dape> ... VPN should be still available on AWS server
12:54:12 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
12:54:21 <dape> MMC: Any updates?
12:54:35 <dape> Kaz: need to respond to ITU-T
12:54:47 <dape> MMC: Who can do that?
12:54:58 <dape> Kaz: I am happy to respond
12:55:15 <dape> ... joint webinar with ITU-T
12:55:35 <kaz> s/joint/including their request on a joint/
12:55:39 <dape> MMC: Okay, let's organize the webinar
12:56:03 <kaz> s/the webinar/a joint meeting with them for that/
12:56:51 <dape> MMC: w.r.t. OGC
12:57:33 <dape> ... we will likely have a joint session with OGC and IEEE P2874 and ECHONET
12:58:02 <dape> ... maybe also joint sessions with
12:58:09 <dape> ... ECLASS
12:58:24 <dape> ... OPCUA
12:58:25 <dape> ... ISO TC184/SC4
12:59:53 <kaz> s/OPCUA/OPC UA/
13:00:36 <dape> MMC: Let's use the label "external" for these joint meetings
13:01:57 <McCool> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4IaTOn8n74
13:02:11 <kaz> i/https/topic: AOB/
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13:03:11 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
13:03:17 <dape> SUBTOPIC: Security
13:03:31 <dape> MMC: Where do signatures belong to?
13:03:37 <dape> ... discussed that
13:03:56 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
13:04:08 <kaz> mm: probably will be handled by IETF
13:04:25 <kaz> ... let's spin off the Signature work at WoT as a separate Note
13:04:40 <kaz> ... and make it non-normative
13:05:02 <kaz> ... and then let's see what would happen on the IETF side
13:05:15 <kaz> ... we could refer to their generated standard at some point possibly
13:05:33 <kaz> ... would have a dedicated repo for that purpose
13:05:48 <kaz> ... aob for today?
13:05:49 <kaz> q?
13:05:55 <kaz> (none)
13:05:59 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:06:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:06:59 <kaz> (5min break and then Plugfest call)
13:07:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/08-wot-minutes.html kaz
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