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17:59:09 <trackbot> Meeting: WAI Coordination Call Teleconference
17:59:09 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2021
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18:02:31 <Judy> agenda?
18:02:36 <Judy> clear agenda
18:02:38 <Judy> agenda+ Scribe, rssagent, agenda check. (Please add your present+ to IRC)
18:02:38 <Judy> agenda+ FYI next week is annual staff "Geek Week"; reduced availability for regular meetings
18:02:38 <Judy> agenda+ Auto-Timestamping W3C Documents?
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18:02:40 <Judy> agenda+ Scheduling WAI-Wide Glossary conversation during TPAC
18:02:41 <Judy> agenda+ FYI Publishing Open House https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2021Sep/0000.html
18:02:43 <Judy> agenda+ Publication announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts
18:02:45 <Judy> agenda+ Any new documents in your WG or TFs to let other WAI WGs or TFs know about?
18:02:47 <Judy> agenda+ TPAC accessibility question(s) carry over from last year
18:02:49 <Judy> agenda+ Checking back in on how your groups are doing on their chartered milestones, timelines updating
18:02:51 <Judy> agenda+ Recheck Community Groups of interest
18:02:53 <Judy> agenda+ AOB?
18:03:26 <kathyeng> scribe: kathyeng
18:03:33 <kathyeng> present+
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18:04:01 <Judy> zakim, drop item 1
18:04:01 <Zakim> agendum 1, Scribe, rssagent, agenda check. (Please add your present+ to IRC), dropped
18:04:06 <Judy> zakim, next item
18:04:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- FYI next week is annual staff "Geek Week"; reduced availability for regular meetings -- taken up [from Judy]
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18:04:31 <George> present+
18:04:49 <kathyeng> judy: reminder once a year, W3C staff have option to focus on a project, project planning, writing
18:04:58 <kathyeng> ... team contact may be less available than usual
18:05:01 <Judy> present+
18:05:13 <kathyeng> janina: publication moratorium?
18:05:16 <kathyeng> judy: yes
18:05:18 <janina> present+
18:05:21 <jamesn> present+
18:05:22 <jeanne> present+
18:05:39 <Judy> zakim, next item
18:05:39 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Auto-Timestamping W3C Documents? -- taken up [from Judy]
18:06:05 <kathyeng> judy: janina sent context earlier
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18:06:45 <kathyeng> janina: date documents for major updates
18:07:00 <Judy> q+ to ask permission for live transcript
18:08:13 <kathyeng> judy: additional context - technical reports are date stamped. is it wiki pages that have no date?
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18:09:04 <kathyeng> janina: COGA work statement had been updated
18:09:33 <kathyeng> judy: that is a wiki page and should have a footer that forces time stamp, but see copyright 2018 but no date stamp
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18:09:55 <kathyeng> ... could be the last redesign may have suppressed date stamp
18:09:57 <becky> present+
18:10:18 <kathyeng> janina: would like every page to have a date stamp. Would be useful over time.
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18:11:00 <kathyeng> judy: a site update may update date on each page. May not be good.
18:11:13 <kathyeng> janina: would be better than not having a date at all
18:11:26 <jeanne> q+
18:11:49 <jamesn> q+
18:12:11 <Judy> ack ju
18:12:11 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to ask permission for live transcript
18:12:14 <Judy> ack je
18:12:16 <Judy> ack ja
18:12:18 <kathyeng> jeanne: would prefer to avoid machine updates. Has been problematic in github when docs get a date refreshed when no changes made.
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18:12:51 <kathyeng> james: agree to avoid machine updates. Aria practices have no date indication.
18:13:46 <kathyeng> judy: will follow up with Shawn
18:13:55 <Judy> zakim, next item
18:13:55 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Scheduling WAI-Wide Glossary conversation during TPAC -- taken up [from Judy]
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18:15:16 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
18:15:16 <Zakim> agendum 4, Scheduling WAI-Wide Glossary conversation during TPAC, closed
18:15:18 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:15:18 <Zakim> 5. FYI Publishing Open House https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2021Sep/0000.html [from Judy]
18:15:28 <Judy> zakim, next item
18:15:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- FYI Publishing Open House https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2021Sep/0000.html -- taken up [from Judy]
18:16:10 <kathyeng> george: can send invitation for Sept 4
18:16:45 <kathyeng> ... will have speakers from business, community, working group to update on publishing at W3C.
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18:17:22 <kathyeng> ... publishing and document accessibility interest. all publishing content
18:17:32 <kathyeng> janina: videos?
18:18:55 <kathyeng> george: embedded videos are in scope. Sync'd media also in scope. If not embedded, maybe not in scope.
18:20:13 <kathyeng> judy: has this open house been effective to give people an informal check in?
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18:21:27 <kathyeng> george: this is the second time. first time we surveyed, had many misunderstandings and confusion. Accessibility was very confused.
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18:22:44 <kathyeng> ... putting videos up in advance this time. very active in higher ed.
18:24:03 <kathyeng> judy: are other groups struggling with energy/morale?
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18:25:47 <Judy> agenda?
18:26:18 <Judy> agenda+ ATAG Briefs
18:26:19 <kathyeng> george: project Gutenberg started in the 80s. open educational resources mandated by states are flying under radar of accessibility.
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18:26:56 <kathyeng> judy: are groups struggling with participation?
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18:27:26 <kathyeng> james: it's hard making progress when everyone has many jobs and hats and finding time for optional work
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18:28:12 <jeanne> q+ to say that the problems getting task force work approved by main group. Part of the problem may be the lack of bar conversations
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18:28:49 <George> q+
18:28:50 <kathyeng> judy: a refresh function is ordinarily part of a conference. would it help for each group to talk about what you're doing?
18:28:56 <kathyeng> james: I don't think so
18:29:24 <Judy> [JB why Pubs are necessary for Publishing]
18:29:39 <kathyeng> jeanne: another online meeting would not help.
18:29:41 <jeanne> ack jean
18:29:41 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say that the problems getting task force work approved by main group. Part of the problem may be the lack of bar conversations
18:30:45 <Judy> ack j
18:30:47 <Judy> ack g
18:30:49 <kathyeng> george: trying to recruit and nurture people who come to W3C community. Not aware of irc, zakim, how to get involved. Need some younger people in WGs who are energetic.
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18:32:22 <kathyeng> judy: if I did a written update on WAI and how to get involved, maybe a blog, would something written help?
18:33:19 <kathyeng> kim: husband's company sent chocolate. What about a virtual pub with real beer?
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18:33:48 <Judy> [JB appreciates the suggestion!]
18:33:58 <jeanne> -1 too many of those, too.
18:34:13 <kathyeng> ... something informal, and maybe interest younger folks
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18:34:39 <kathyeng> janina: can interns be in wg?
18:35:28 <kathyeng> judy: appreciate ideas
18:35:29 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:35:29 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Publication announcements https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts -- taken up [from Judy]
18:35:58 <janina> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/
18:36:12 <Joshue108> present+
18:36:26 <kathyeng> janina: APA has CFC out. looks promising. Hope for fpwd in late Sept.
18:37:17 <kathyeng> ... if video and audio are out of sync, very problematic
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18:38:11 <kathyeng> janina: we have scheduled joint meeting with timed text
18:38:43 <kathyeng> ... hoping to publish week after next.
18:38:57 <kathyeng> judy: give Shawn at least normal lead time to review announcements
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18:39:52 <kathyeng> janina: Personalization Task Force in CR by end of month. Announcements in process.
18:40:21 <kathyeng> ... one issue remaining with Internationalization. They meet with us on Monday.
18:41:32 <kathyeng> george: User experience guide will wait until after moratorium.
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18:41:45 <kathyeng> ... announcements still pending
18:42:10 <kathyeng> judy: are you updating announcement page?
18:42:26 <kathyeng> janina: yes, with Josh
18:43:38 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:43:38 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Any new documents in your WG or TFs to let other WAI WGs or TFs know about? -- taken up [from Judy]
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18:43:42 <Judy> agenda+
18:44:40 <kathyeng> james: not new but talking with SVG. They seem to be in agreement.
18:44:57 <kathyeng> ... to take over SVG AM
18:45:22 <Judy> s/AM/Accessibility API Mapping (AAM)/
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18:46:23 <kathyeng> george: announcements page also for CG reports?
18:46:49 <kathyeng> janina: it's on our joint agenda for TPAC. got a lot of questions.
18:47:45 <kathyeng> judy: when CGs were established about 8 years ago, one caveat is not to assign staff time. Over time, exceptions made to provide an essential bridging function.
18:48:31 <kathyeng> ... something lightweight/informative could go on announcements. Chat with Shawn.
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18:49:19 <Kim_patch> Present+
18:49:40 <kathyeng> janina: how to normatively reference registry in W3c spec?
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18:49:50 <Judy> zakim, who's here?
18:49:50 <Zakim> Present: jeanne, tzviya, brentb, Judy, janina, ChrisLoiselle, kim_patch, stevelee, jamesn, janina_, George, becky, Shawn(first_part), Katie_Haritos-Shea, Joshue, George_, kathyeng
18:49:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see George, Kim_patch, becky, janina, kathyeng, RRSAgent, jeanne, MichaelC_, Judy, Rachael, ChrisLoiselle, Joshue108, jamesn, Zakim, trackbot
18:50:41 <Judy> q+
18:50:44 <kathyeng> george: this is a WG issue and good question.
18:51:08 <kathyeng> judy: there may have been a process change.
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18:51:58 <kathyeng> ... will ask Ralph
18:52:04 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:52:04 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
18:52:08 <Judy> q?
18:52:12 <Judy> ack ju
18:52:17 <Judy> zakim, take up next
18:52:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- TPAC accessibility question(s) carry over from last year -- taken up [from Judy]
18:53:17 <kathyeng> judy: sounds like planning for TPAC is coming along. Opportunity to propose sessions for the next few weeks.
18:53:22 <Joshue108> q+
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18:54:27 <kathyeng> ... feedback on virtual TPAC from last year. Heard the format was confusing, help section hard to find. Other feedback?
18:54:56 <kathyeng> judy: yes
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18:55:54 <jeanne> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/SessionIdeas
18:56:07 <kathyeng> becky: add it to the wiki table, which is difficult
18:56:53 <kathyeng> becky: I've only been doing breakout meetings. Don't think format is different.
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18:57:09 <kathyeng> judy: sounds good josh, coordinate with Michael?
18:57:21 <Judy> agenda?
18:58:08 <kathyeng> judy: TPAC help issue, people didn't see it as I recall.
18:58:58 <kathyeng> becky: where is value of checking all the CGs, tedious to check.
18:59:25 <kathyeng> judy: felipe had a data scrape to help monitor
18:59:49 <kathyeng> becky: yes, helpful, but where's follow up? what is purpose in monitoring?
19:01:06 <kathyeng> judy: threshold case - in CG brewing a technical standard that may impact accessibility. This is outside of horizontal review requirement so no feedback on accessibility.
19:01:12 <Judy> agenda?
19:01:51 <kathyeng> janina: sometimes no additional follow up and that may be the breakdown
19:02:36 <kathyeng> becky: going through charter would get the review. are you saying to get to them sooner?
19:03:31 <kathyeng> judy: yes, before mature substantially.
19:05:01 <Judy> rrsagent, please make minutes
19:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/08-waicc-minutes.html Judy