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14:03:12 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
14:03:46 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Daniel_Peintner, Michael_Koster
14:05:02 <kaz> present+ Philipp_Blum
14:07:41 <kaz> present+ Michael_McCool
14:08:33 <sebastian> Ege will be back Sept 20. The planed session about protocol binding will be held on Sept. 22
14:08:48 <kaz> i/Ege/scribenick: sebastian/
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14:09:30 <sebastian> topic: minutes check
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14:10:02 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/08/04-wot-td-minutes.html Aug-4
14:10:21 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#Sept_1.2C_2021
14:13:45 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
14:16:56 <dape> q+
14:18:19 <dape> ack dape
14:19:21 <sebastian> any objections?
14:19:24 <sebastian> no
14:19:45 <sebastian> topic: PR overview
14:20:20 <sebastian> TD signature https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1151
14:20:31 <sebastian> Oliver provided a review
14:20:47 <sebastian> MM: no time yet for review it.  Will do it for next time
14:21:25 <sebastian> some examples would be good
14:24:26 <sebastian> maby a nice diagram would good for clearification. There is an example such as from EXI canonical
14:24:31 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/TR/exi-c14n/#signatureProcessingSteps
14:26:10 <sebastian> next PR fix RDF triples example from Thing description json-ld 1.1
14:26:29 <kaz> i/TD signature/subtopic: PR 1151/
14:26:45 <sebastian> no news here
14:27:10 <kaz> i/next PR/subtopic: PR 1167/
14:28:20 <kaz> i|next PR|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1167 fix: fix RDF triples example from Thing description json-ld 1.1 #1167|
14:28:21 <sebastian> MM: there should be no metadata in the id value
14:28:36 <sebastian> e.g., "id": "urn:dev:ops:32473-WoTLamp-1234"
14:28:54 <sebastian> same is also true
14:29:35 <sebastian> this recommendation should be mentioned in the security consideration sectopion
14:30:49 <sebastian> MM will provide an issue
14:31:25 <kaz> q+
14:33:01 <sebastian> Kaz: we should have a joint meeting with the DID WG
14:33:37 <kaz> ack
14:33:42 <kaz> s/ack//
14:33:43 <kaz> ack k
14:34:40 <sebastian> Fix issues in TM schema generation script https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1205
14:35:30 <sebastian> wiating for Ege's feedback
14:37:44 <McCool> just created issue for URL/Id not having metadata: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1216
14:38:46 <sebastian> Add queryaction and cancelaction operations  https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1208
14:39:20 <sebastian> still WIP, we should provide some comments about this PR and about the query naming
14:48:13 <McCool> the readme should list specific files under context and ontology that are autogenerated
14:54:01 <McCool> sorry. have to drop - will talk again soon
14:54:39 <sebastian> topic: check issues
14:54:50 <sebastian> Small incoherence in forms Thing Description core vocabulary https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1199
14:55:15 <sebastian> we will replace the sentance with Ege's proposal
14:55:26 <kaz> rrsagent, make draft public
14:55:26 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make draft public', kaz.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:55:31 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:55:36 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:55:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:55:40 <sebastian> next issue: unit for human-redable / display purposes or as semantic annotation?
14:55:44 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1202
14:56:16 <kaz> Chair: Sebastian
14:56:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:56:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
14:57:19 <kaz> i|pull/1205|subtopic: PR 1205|
14:57:35 <kaz> i|1199|subtopic: Issue 1199|
14:57:56 <kaz> i|next issue|subtopic: Issue 1202|
14:57:58 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:58:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:00:19 <sebastian> Cris: support also to use the unit mainly for semantic purposes
15:05:45 <sebastian> MK: units for human purposes typically have more information as a single value like symbl, the full name, pointer etc
15:09:03 <sebastian> next issue: TD File Extension Convention https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1214
15:09:35 <kaz> i|1214|subtopic: Issue 1214|
15:10:35 <kaz> q+
15:13:32 <dape> q+
15:15:22 <sebastian> Chris: how about extend the IANA registry with .td.json since it says "File extension(s)"
15:15:23 <kaz> ack k
15:15:39 <kaz> kaz: we should talk with PLH about this
15:16:03 <kaz> ... also please remember W3C Process 2021 will include the capability of registry handling ourselves
15:16:11 <kaz> i/we should/scribenick: kaz/
15:16:38 <kaz> scribenick: sebastian
15:16:41 <dape> https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/application/sarif+json
15:17:18 <sebastian> Daniel: JSON-LD also used the .jsonld. Maybe this was the motivation to use the single dot form with .jsontd
15:18:08 <dape> ack dape
15:18:27 <sebastian> Daniel: Saref uses .saref and .sarif.json
15:18:50 <dape> s/Saref uses .saref and .sarif.json/Sarif uses .sarif and .sarif.json
15:19:24 <kaz> q+
15:20:56 <kaz> ack k
15:21:05 <kaz> kaz: again, let's talk with PLH
15:21:42 <kaz> ... I personally don't think we should change the file extension definition given the old definition is included in the official REC
15:21:56 <kaz> q?
15:25:24 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1200
15:25:38 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1200 Is there a need for invokeanyaction/queryallactions operations? #1200
15:26:01 <kaz> sk: since Ben is not here, would suggest we postpone this issue
15:26:22 <kaz> i/again/scribenick: kaz/
15:27:43 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/302#issuecomment-884867648 Related Issue 302
15:30:57 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/main/proposals/hypermedia-control-2#observations-1 also additional descriptions on Hypermedia Controls
15:32:31 <kaz> q+
15:32:44 <dape> q+
15:33:50 <kaz> (some discussion)
15:34:05 <kaz> kaz: in any ways, we need Ben and Ege for further discussion. right?
15:34:12 <kaz> sk: right
15:34:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:34:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz
15:34:42 <kaz> ack d
15:34:44 <kaz> ack k
15:35:13 <dape> ack dape
15:35:17 <kaz> dp: just wanted to remind that there would be possible security issues on the dynamic approach
15:35:21 <kaz> cris: right
15:35:44 <kaz> sk: would ask McCool as well about his opinion
15:37:33 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 878
15:37:41 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/878 Describing initial connection #878
15:38:17 <kaz> sk: (goes through the issue)
15:38:24 <kaz> ... we should have a PR
15:38:33 <kaz> q+
15:38:55 <kaz> kaz: so we should add the "need PR" label to this
15:38:57 <kaz> sk: ok
15:40:50 <kaz> (kaz added "PR needed" label)
15:40:57 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 1195
15:41:29 <dape> q+
15:41:30 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1195 [discussion] TD Linting #1195
15:41:32 <kaz> aack k
15:41:37 <kaz> ack k
15:41:43 <kaz> s/aack k//
15:42:05 <kaz> ca: this would allow people better persistence
15:45:45 <kaz> ack d
15:45:47 <dape> ack dape
15:46:01 <kaz> sk: (adds comments)
15:46:32 <kaz> ... instead using the IP address at the interaction level. the base can be used
15:46:48 <kaz> ... should check if there is no conflict
15:48:44 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1195#issuecomment-910413978 Sebastian's updated comments
15:49:16 <kaz> topic: Issue 1215
15:49:34 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1215 Specify format of additional information for TM-to-TD conversion? #1215
15:49:43 <kaz> ca: (summarizes the issue)
15:50:04 <kaz> ... I'm OK with this process itself
15:50:55 <kaz> ... but some remaining questions
15:51:01 <kaz> sk: how to create TDs?
15:51:15 <kaz> ... many ways/tools to handle this
15:52:58 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues/121 related issue 121
15:54:18 <kaz> topic: AOB
15:54:28 <kaz> pb: wondering about SenML
15:54:43 <kaz> ... IETF spec for sensor data
15:55:30 <kaz> -> https://www.google.com/search?q=senml SenML (RFC8428)
15:57:18 <kaz> q+
15:58:32 <kaz> ack k
15:59:31 <kaz> kaz: given the Editors of this spec include Ari and Carsten, we can simply talk with them about possible binding during the vF2F meeting at TPAC
15:59:57 <kaz> ... we're still finalizing the joint sessions in general :)
16:01:33 <kaz> pb: should I generate some proposal for binding templates?
16:01:43 <kaz> sk: not really sure
16:01:51 <kaz> ... what do you think, Koster?
16:03:20 <kaz> mk: we should think about possible binding
16:03:26 <kaz> ... that's a good issue
16:03:34 <kaz> ... maybe more study needed
16:03:39 <cris_> q+
16:05:43 <kaz> kaz: we're out of time, and would suggest we bring this topic to the main call next week as well
16:05:51 <kaz> sk: yeah, let's continue the discussion next week
16:06:10 <kaz> [adjourned]
16:06:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-wot-td-minutes.html kaz