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12:49:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:49:06 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2021
12:49:19 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:49:19 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
12:49:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021.
12:49:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements.
12:49:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings.
12:49:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:49:25 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:49:38 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agena
12:49:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list agena', jasonjgw
12:49:43 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:49:43 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
12:49:44 <Zakim> 1. Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:44 <Zakim> 2. Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:44 <Zakim> 3. Accessibility of Remote Meetings. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:44 <Zakim> 4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:44 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
12:50:18 <jasonjgw> present+
12:50:23 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
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12:56:56 <janina> zakim, who's here?
12:56:56 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw
12:56:57 <Judy> [jb: regrets for the beginning of the call, will join as soon as gets out of another call]
12:56:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, jasonjgw, Judy, MichaelC, Joshue108, trackbot
12:57:10 <janina> present+
12:57:13 <janina> agenda?
12:59:22 <Joshue108> Present+
13:02:47 <Joshue108> Off-page link for the captionmax transcript: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=WorldWideConsortium
13:03:26 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:26 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:03:50 <SteveNoble> present+
13:04:05 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
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13:04:50 <SteveNoble> janina: some TPAC meetings have moved - so be sure to check the schedule
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13:06:15 <SteveNoble> scott_h: +1 to Janina's work on scheduling
13:07:48 <SteveNoble> janina: connection to RQTF...besides timed text, maybe personalization is another area
13:09:08 <SteveNoble> janina: metadata on media accessibility options (captions, video descriptions, etc.) - these options often vary from one streaming service to another
13:10:09 <Raja> So, what can be standardized?
13:10:29 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: EPUB spec does include metadata requirement for the item, plus push through to EPUB distributors
13:11:44 <Joshue108> Q?
13:12:02 <Joshue108> Agenda?
13:12:24 <Joshue108> SN: Raja asked a question in IRC on standardisation - what can be standardised?
13:12:35 <Joshue108> JS: Raja can you please restate question?
13:12:51 <Joshue108> RK: Yes, I was talking about meta data but I’m not an expert
13:14:04 <SteveNoble> janina: One issue is simply figuring out who to include in the conversation'
13:14:48 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:14:48 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:15:23 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: A lot of work has been going on
13:15:48 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Believe we have addressed enough of the outstanding issues
13:16:29 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Have incorporated the new BBC white paper and an editors note around the issue of accuracy in ASR
13:16:36 <Raja> +q
13:17:10 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Should we request publication at this point to get wide review?
13:18:03 <SteveNoble> Joshue108: Yes...it seems good to go. Just would like Steve to review
13:18:26 <Joshue108> Q+ Janina
13:18:32 <Joshue108> Ack raja
13:18:47 <SteveNoble> Raja: Regarding ASR change it is improved is looking beter
13:19:22 <SteveNoble> Raja: Need to be careful in how we decide to leave this since we do expect more changes
13:20:14 <Joshue108> SN: We have the doc in good shape
13:20:29 <Joshue108> We do have some questions - addressed in editors note etc
13:21:12 <Joshue108> The issue around ASR is between what is the real world experience is like
13:21:38 <Joshue108> It is seen to be lacking in standard Zoom calls for example - but this is the MVP
13:21:49 <Joshue108> You can pay more for premium product
13:22:03 <Joshue108> There is variability
13:22:16 <Joshue108> Most metrics are from lab type environments
13:22:36 <Joshue108> Different from e’day life
13:23:47 <Joshue108> Ack jan
13:23:53 <janina> https://www.w3.org/Consortium/Process/
13:23:58 <Raja> Yes, the notion of variability and premium products won't change soon, and is important to share
13:24:48 <SteveNoble> janina: The type of document we are working on is a "Note"
13:25:50 <SteveNoble> janina: This is a "working draft" meaning that it is not done, and since it is the "first" working draft we will assume that there will be another draft
13:26:15 <SteveNoble> janina: We work on it until we are satisfied
13:26:44 <SteveNoble> janina: Suggest that we reference the recent FCC posting
13:27:27 <Joshue108> Q?
13:27:38 <SteveNoble> janina: Otherwise it will look like we have ignored it
13:29:13 <Raja> +1
13:29:17 <Raja> +q
13:29:40 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Around a recent FCC announcement on the ability of a vendor to use ASR
13:29:49 <Judy> q+
13:30:03 <Raja> CaptionCalls got certification to supplement human captions with ASR yesterday
13:30:26 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: We could simply cite the reference
13:30:54 <Raja> Other caption providers got permission several months ago -- Olelo and another provider I can't remember at the moment
13:31:20 <janina> https://www.fcc.gov/document/ip-cts-asr-only-authorization-granted-captioncall
13:31:27 <Raja> Just having permission doesn't carry force of law
13:32:00 <Joshue108> Ack raja
13:32:36 <SteveNoble> Raja: Yes...the new order allows ASR if there are not enough human captioners
13:33:09 <SteveNoble> Raja: Other providers also received such permissions earlier this year
13:33:35 <janina> q+
13:33:48 <SteveNoble> Raja: This may help support the case that ASR is seen as becoming more acceptable
13:34:34 <Raja> https://www.fcc.gov/document/machinegenius-certified-automatic-speech-recognition-ip-cts
13:34:54 <Raja> https://www.machinegenius.com/
13:35:20 <SteveNoble> Judy: The understanding is that this applies to limited circumstances, so we want to look at this more seriously
13:36:22 <Raja> Clarity and ASR: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-364731A1.pdf
13:36:44 <SteveNoble> Judy: Also W3C is international and the FCC is just one country, plus ASR is much better normed for English; therefore we want our document more international in its approach
13:37:02 <Judy> ack judy
13:37:05 <Judy> ack ja
13:37:42 <SteveNoble> janina: The metrics are indeed controlled, and real life is not a test lab
13:38:31 <Judy> q+
13:38:32 <SteveNoble> janina: We are trying to say something about a US agency has approved use in constrained circumstances
13:39:56 <SteveNoble> Judy: Other parts of the world do not have the same availability
13:39:58 <Raja> ASR will almost certainly be worse for languages used by small populations
13:40:39 <SteveNoble> janina: Can we continue discussion in email?
13:40:42 <Raja> I agree with the level of caution.
13:42:09 <Joshue108> SN: This note of caution is fine
13:42:16 <Joshue108> Q?
13:42:19 <Joshue108> Ack Judy
13:43:15 <Joshue108> ASR sync - is much more quick in generating captions..
13:43:31 <Joshue108> There are issues in quality and accuracy - that’s the main thing.
13:43:46 <Joshue108> JW: This document is not talking a position on ASR just noting it.
13:44:20 <Joshue108> SN: +1 to having a position of caution is good - and we are acknowledging limitations
13:44:31 <Judy> q+
13:44:38 <Joshue108> JW: We could leave the text untouched and cite these in the next round?
13:44:45 <Joshue108> JS: I’d like to avoid that
13:44:47 <Joshue108> Ack judy
13:45:17 <SteveNoble> Judy: Adding the clarifications will be very valuable
13:47:11 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Cited a 2019 paper that did referenced speaker variability
13:47:14 <Judy> s/very valuable/very valuable -- also refering to language diversity in the country that just issued this decision
13:48:51 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Are there other items in the note we need to address?
13:48:54 <Judy> q+
13:49:51 <Judy> ack ju
13:52:48 <janina> DRAFT RESOLUTION: RQTF requests APA conduct a Call for Consensus on publication of a First Public Working Draft of the Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements (RQTF) https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/ once our Editor's Note is updated by agreement to address recently published guidance from the U.S. FCC
13:53:16 <Joshue108> SN: <reads draft resolution>
13:55:46 <SteveNoble> RESOLUTION: RQTF requests APA conduct a Call for Consensus on publication of a First Public Working Draft of the Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements (SAUR) https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/ once our Editor's Note is updated by agreement to address recently published guidance from the U.S. FCC
13:57:29 <Joshue108> JS: Many thanks to Steve
13:58:23 <SteveNoble> Judy: thanks to captioners and interpreters on the call
13:59:18 <SteveNoble> janina: Josh can mint the URI
14:00:03 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:00:03 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, Joshue, SteveNoble
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14:00:42 <jasonjgw> rrsagent, make minutes
14:00:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-rqtf-minutes.html jasonjgw
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