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19:55:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> title: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
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19:56:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
19:56:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.01
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20:05:39 <AndreaPerego> s/title: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference//
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20:17:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:18:00 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Alejandra
20:18:05 <PWinstanley> scribe: PWinstanley
20:18:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/07/07-dxwgdcat-minutes
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20:19:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/07/07-dxwgdcat-minutes Perhaps we can generate the meeting minute so tha
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20:19:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.01
20:19:22 <AndreaPerego> s/Perhaps we can generate the meeting minute so tha//
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20:19:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> Topic: Pending PRs
20:20:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> issue  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1391 about inverse properties
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20:21:05 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I made the first try - what was agreed was to define in the RDF vocab a list of inverse props not included in DCAT, and we put them in a separate section of the specification
20:21:54 <PWinstanley> ... the inverses are all moved into a specific section that describes them but references section 6 to the predicates recommended
20:22:10 <PWinstanley> ... The inverses are not meant to be used alone
20:22:26 <PWinstanley> ... but in addition to the forward forms of the predicates
20:23:08 <PWinstanley> ... I also included inverse properties that are already in Section 6.  If we go wtih this solution these inverse properties will be removed and placed with the others
20:23:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:23:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:23:51 <PWinstanley> ... Note that this list of inverses is preliminary and should be open to proposals for including others
20:23:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:25:40 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: my impression is that this is a good piece of work in a difficult part of the specification.  There may be comments from others in the group who have not been in the meetings, and they might have contrary views, but I think those here agree with the position you've taken.  However, for balance, we need to ensure that the whole team is able to comment.
20:26:11 <PWinstanley> ... We can accept the PR, but perhaps it is better to ask the whole team before it is merged
20:27:03 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: perhaps an editorial note stating that this is for discussion is enough, and we can bring to the Plenary
20:28:25 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:28:35 <PWinstanley> ... we can provide inverses as a separate RDF file if that makes it easier for colleagues to settle with them being associated with the recommendation
20:29:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
20:29:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:31:56 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I agree with the general approach - both in the handling of the inverses, and with doing the merge at this point.  My concern is the normative status of these predicates, esp the ones already in section 6.  The content of section 7, these inverses, are already present in other vocabs and we might get tangled up in the discussions of those vocabs.  The editors note needs to point to the goal of providing these inverses, i[CUT]
20:32:04 <PWinstanley> ... of home-grown inverses
20:32:18 <PWinstanley> ...I think that it is the 'right thing' to do
20:36:35 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:36:49 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:37:17 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I only included in the list inverses to properties already in section 6
20:39:21 <riccardoAlbertoni>  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1346 and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1336
20:39:21 <PWinstanley> ... if there is anything missing, proposals can be made for them to be included.  I think this is a general approach
20:39:56 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: The links in the minutes are issues already addressed by the draft - and we need feedback
20:40:00 <PWinstanley> and
20:40:23 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we can use #1336 as a placeholder for discussion about the approach
20:42:49 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: Annette makes a going point about updating of metadata after the item has been published - but I think that stability of metadata is a 'good practice' issue.  However, there might be other use cases and motivations that allow other approaches to using previous and next for provenance
20:45:38 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: another issue is normalising the graph.  The RDF Cube vocab has a section on queries for normalising the graph.
20:45:52 <PWinstanley> ... we might use similar/simpler guidelines
20:46:58 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:47:08 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: Simon raised the point that if we assume that the triples are on the same server we don't need the inverse as that can be determined in a SPARQL query, but when the data are distributed the links in both directions are needed for a 'follow your nose' approach
20:48:44 <AndreaPerego> ack AndreaPerego
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20:52:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:52:48 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:52:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:54:07 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: based on discussion we can add the editorial note at the beginning of the section, and perhaps colleagues can edit that if they see need for further clarification - if there is additional text needed then colleagues can make their proposals
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20:55:32 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1325
20:56:29 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: this PR #1325 was in an earlier one proposed by Simon & with additional suggestions from AndreaPerego .  Can this revision be merged?
20:57:09 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I will check, but it is for Simon to ensure that the change is OK.
20:59:06 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:59:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:00:01 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I think this needs to go to the Plenary - we have tried to address it but there is no reply
21:00:51 <PWinstanley> riccardoAlbertoni: propose to adjourn
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