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15:59:37 <Vlad> zakim, this is webfonts wg meeting
15:59:37 <Zakim> got it, Vlad
15:59:40 <chris> rrsagent, here
15:59:40 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-irc#T15-59-40
15:59:45 <chris> present+
15:59:52 <Vlad> present+
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16:01:43 <chris> I raised 5 issues. 3 should be addressed before publication. I have simple PR for all of them. The other two are just so i don't forget
16:01:44 <chris> https://github.com/w3c/IFT/issues
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16:04:12 <chris> present+ Venkat
16:04:17 <chris> present+ myles
16:04:18 <jpamental> present+
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16:04:29 <Garret> present+
16:04:51 <chris> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:05:27 <chris> scribenick: jpamental
16:05:28 <Vlad> scribenick jpamental
16:05:38 <chris> chair: vlad
16:05:48 <chris> zakim, list attendees
16:05:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been chris, Vlad, Venkat, myles, jpamental, Garret, sergeym
16:07:03 <jpamental> Garret: presenting the spec, found here https://w3c.github.io/IFT/Overview.html (covers patch-subset, range request is coming)
16:07:27 <chris> It also covers the protocol negotiation
16:07:42 <jpamental> Garret: Myles will be contributing range request
16:08:26 <jpamental> Garret: pointing out we're using CBOR for encoding
16:09:01 <jpamental> Garret: pointing out SparseBitSet section along with IntegerList data structures
16:09:56 <jpamental> Garret: showing specs for subsetting variable axes
16:11:04 <jpamental> Garret: Sections on Client and Server to describe desired behaviors on both parts, but intentionally broad, without getting overly specific on implementation
16:12:15 <jpamental> Garret: server responds to request from client by sending more than the bare minimum of the client request, but implementor can decide on how much more in order to be more efficient with subsequent requests
16:12:45 <chris> q+
16:13:37 <jpamental> Garret: Showing miscellaneous sections at the end covering computing Checksums, Codepoint reordering, and patch formats
16:14:05 <jpamental> Garret: Mentioning how to implement in HTML/CSS to let the author suggest how the transfer should work in the font-face declaration
16:14:10 <chris> q?
16:14:42 <chris> https://github.com/w3c/IFT/issues
16:15:08 <jpamental> Chris: mentioned that he had raised 5 issues on the spec, at least 3 of which should be resolved before publication
16:15:19 <jpamental> Myles: I also have some questions
16:16:19 <jpamental> Chris: Proposing some language changes under Privacy and Security considerations
16:16:31 <jpamental> Garret: These look good, I will review the PR
16:17:01 <jpamental> Chris: link cleanup, adding the w3c ID
16:17:07 <jpamental> Garret: I will review that PR
16:17:56 <jpamental> Chris: The section titled 'In HTML', but it's not accurate. Split into 2 sections 'One in CSS', another about protocol negotiation
16:18:05 <jpamental> Garret: agreed, will review the PR
16:18:50 <jpamental> Myles: You mentioned 2 different hash algorithms. what are they?
16:19:01 <jpamental> Garret: These are just checks to make sure things are working correctly
16:19:08 <jpamental> Myles: what happens if they don't match?
16:19:45 <jpamental> Garret: The client is supposed to re-request from scratch if things don't match up. Expected that this will be rare, but better than allowing errors to accumulate
16:19:46 <chris> Ok so they re-request to get a known good font, seems correct to me
16:21:16 <chris> q+ The hashes are on the font right, not the server software
16:21:19 <jpamental> Myles: I'm worried about multiple back-end servers handling subsequent requests (like at Google Fonts). Maybe there should be a way to ensure one server (with the same software and files) get fulfilled with same versions, etc
16:21:43 <jpamental> Garret: We have a 'sort of similar' idea in Google Fonts, but not quite. I'll think about that
16:22:56 <jpamental> Garret: I'm not certain this will be an issue, but will look into it further
16:23:40 <jpamental> Myles: If the second server has different versions of software it might not be able to produce a new patch correctly
16:23:43 <chris> we should raise this one as an issue
16:24:06 <jpamental> Garret: You may be right, I'll follow up and detail a new issue on GitHub
16:24:37 <jpamental> Myles: This doesn't need to stop us from publishing now, but we just have to follow up
16:24:55 <jpamental> Vlad: are there any objections to publishing this as the first working draft?
16:25:42 <jpamental> Vlad: Don't forget that this triggers the first step in patent review
16:26:28 <chris> Also if there are no patent concerns, there is nothing that needs to be done
16:26:54 <jpamental> Vlad: I hear no objections
16:26:54 <chris> resolved: Publish FPWD of Incremental Font Transfer
16:27:03 <chris> rrsagent, here
16:27:03 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-irc#T16-27-03
16:27:17 <chris> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:27:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-minutes.html chris
16:27:51 <chris> rrsagent, make logs public
16:28:00 <chris> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:28:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-minutes.html chris
16:28:29 <chris> Meeting: Fonts WG
16:28:32 <chris> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:28:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-minutes.html chris
16:32:32 <chris> rrsagent, make minutes
16:32:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-minutes.html chris
16:33:10 <chris> so actually, https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/374
16:34:24 <chris> (we explain W3C Patent policy)
16:38:11 <chris> (we explain W3C Wide Review)
16:38:21 <chris> (we explain test driven development)
16:39:59 <chris> Vlad: TPAC happening
16:40:00 <chris> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/Overview.html
16:40:35 <chris> vlad: opportunity for demos. Can we do one?
16:41:22 <chris> Garret: we could do an in-browser demo to gain awareness
16:41:58 <chris> ... deck used at ATypI technical talks
16:43:53 <chris> (adjourned for realz)
16:44:00 <chris> rrsagent, make minutes
16:44:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/31-webfonts-minutes.html chris
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