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13:59:09 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
13:59:12 <kaz> chair: McCool
13:59:30 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool
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14:01:10 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Farshid_Tavakolizadeh
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14:03:09 <kaz> q+
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14:04:12 <kaz> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf&action=edit&section=12
14:04:58 <kaz> s|Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/index.php?title=WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf&action=edit&section=12|Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#30_August_2021|
14:05:07 <kaz> present+ Christian_Glomb
14:06:01 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:07:08 <kaz> scribenick: glomb
14:07:39 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
14:07:44 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:08:40 <kaz> topic: Minutes
14:08:42 <glomb> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-wot-discovery-minutes.html
14:10:46 <kaz> -> https://doodle.com/poll/c48w8m4naxfnzw5n Doodle for TPAC 2021 planning
14:12:08 <glomb> Minutes approved
14:12:32 <glomb> topic: Geolocation
14:14:14 <glomb> Joint session to be held at TPAC, Christine Perey will take care
14:14:40 <glomb> mmc: Have geo-location semantics in TD and use it in the discovery
14:15:08 <glomb> mmc: Will also need introduction mechanism
14:15:27 <glomb> mmc: Currently lack of implementations
14:15:57 <glomb> mmc: Spatial extension to DNS, etc.
14:17:42 <McCool> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/F2F_meeting,_October_2021
14:21:39 <kaz> q+
14:24:55 <kaz> ack k
14:25:36 <glomb> cperey: Liaisons wrt/ geo-fencing using standards
14:26:03 <cperey> https://sagroups.ieee.org/2874/
14:26:20 <glomb> Spatial web working group
14:27:28 <kaz> i|Liaisons|(Kaz notes that we still need to clarify the actual dates for the WoT meetings, which consist of OpenDay including liaison SDOs, Breakout discussion and WoT group discussion, during TPAC.)|
14:28:39 <glomb> cperey: New IEEE working has quite mature ideas, so let's exchange with others having mature ideas
14:29:17 <kaz> s/IEEE working/IEEE P2874 Spatial Web Protocol Working Group/
14:29:18 <glomb> IEEE P2874
14:30:24 <kaz> q+
14:30:34 <glomb> mmc: Add P2874 to liaisons list, also OGC
14:30:45 <kaz> [[
14:30:47 <kaz> * Current status of IoT services
14:30:47 <kaz> ** Industrial gateways (Bosch, Siemens, Fujitsu)
14:30:47 <kaz> ** Automotive (Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Daimler)
14:30:47 <kaz> * Existing standards and deployed ecosystems (based on our liaisons)
14:30:47 <kaz> ** Platform Industry 4.0
14:30:48 <kaz> ** OPC UA
14:30:50 <kaz> ** ECHONET
14:30:52 <kaz> ** ITU-T
14:30:54 <kaz> ** ECLASS
14:30:56 <kaz> ** ISO TC 184/SC4
14:31:00 <kaz> * Future need for for Web-based IoT
14:31:02 <kaz> ** Home automation scenarios
14:31:04 <kaz> ** Smart Cities
14:31:06 <kaz> ** Retail
14:31:08 <kaz> ** Healthcare
14:31:10 <kaz> ]]
14:32:16 <glomb> mmc: Smart cities session ... discuss in main call
14:32:49 <glomb> topic: Issues and PRs
14:33:20 <glomb> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/217
14:33:25 <kaz> i/[[/(Kaz mentions some idea about possible OpenDay topics as follows:/
14:33:44 <kaz> i/Issues and/kaz: +1/
14:34:24 <glomb> toumura: Just editorial change
14:34:38 <glomb> mmc: Concern about potentially long URIs
14:34:51 <kaz> i/https/subtopic: PR 217/
14:35:13 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:35:32 <kaz> s/217/217 PR 217 - Add Well-Known URI and Service Name in "IANA Considerations" section/
14:38:07 <glomb> mmc: "wot-thing-description" too long?
14:38:33 <glomb> "wot-td" instead?
14:40:26 <glomb> mmc: Fix typo and merge
14:41:46 <glomb> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/218
14:42:46 <glomb> mmc: Profiles aims to forbid head methods, but should directories follow a profiles?
14:43:33 <kaz> i/218/subtopic: PR 218/
14:43:38 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
14:43:54 <kaz> s/218/218 PR 218 - HTTP HEAD method to request the content length/
14:44:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:44:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:44:03 <glomb> farshid: Does not add any feature to TDD.
14:44:58 <glomb> mmc: Supports pagination of large TDs
14:46:04 <glomb> mmc: SHOULD or MUST feature?
14:49:24 <glomb> farshid: Easy to implement.
14:49:40 <glomb> mmc: Will be changed to MUST.
14:50:08 <glomb> HEAD possible on all endpoints (listing, search, etc.)
14:50:43 <glomb> Yet another possbility for constrained devices to handle large TDs, fragments, etc.
14:52:44 <glomb> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/219
14:53:02 <kaz> i/219/subtopic: PR 219/
14:53:04 <glomb> farshid: Similar feature for self-description
14:53:08 <kaz> s/httpd/-> https/
14:53:44 <kaz> s/219/219 PR 219 - HTTP HEAD method to request the content length (self-description)/
14:53:53 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:53:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
14:55:16 <glomb> mmc: https challenging for constrained devices, so http (not https) a MUST
14:58:03 <glomb> PR 218 and 219 merged
14:59:01 <glomb> mmc: "only" 81 issues left
14:59:47 <glomb> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/48
15:00:31 <glomb> mmc: IDs are not guaranteed to be unique
15:00:59 <glomb> farshid: In JSON-LD it IS unique
15:01:37 <glomb> mmc: Please look through issues to be discussed next time
15:01:44 <kaz> i/48/subtopic: Issue 48/
15:01:55 <glomb> Adjourning
15:02:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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