IRC log of personalization on 2021-08-30

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Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 30 August 2021
13:41:11 [sharon]
clear agenda
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chair: sharon
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agenda+ TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
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agenda+ i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina)
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agenda+ issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF)
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agenda+ Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements
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agenda+ Unlabeled GitHub issues https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/
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agenda+ Action #89 - Update from JF editorial review of Modules 2.0 and 3.0
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agenda?
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agenda?
13:57:09 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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Present: (no one)
13:57:11 [Zakim]
On IRC I see janina, stevelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, hadleybeeman, MichaelC, trackbot
13:57:19 [janina]
present+
13:57:22 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
13:57:22 [Zakim]
Present: janina
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On IRC I see janina, stevelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, hadleybeeman, MichaelC, trackbot
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agenda?
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13:59:36 [Matthew_Atkinson]
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present+
14:00:30 [JF]
Present+
14:01:27 [Roy]
present+
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Regrets+ Charles
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present+
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present+
14:03:46 [sharon]
present+
14:04:45 [Lionel_Wolberger]
scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:04:50 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
14:04:50 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 -- taken up [from sharon]
14:05:47 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Matthew_Atkinson: Some hiccoughs in pushing to the GitHack
14:06:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... Do we want to draft in a seperate branch?
14:06:32 [sharon]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/gh-pages/talks/2021/tpac/index.html
14:07:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... may need more of an introduction, as to "why" this is important
14:08:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q?
14:08:22 [LisaSeemanKest]
q+
14:08:30 [Lionel_Wolberger]
q+
14:08:51 [sharon]
ack LisaSeemanKest
14:09:07 [JF]
Q+
14:09:18 [sharon]
q?
14:10:24 [sharon]
ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:11:11 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks to Matt
14:11:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]
.. who has the tea cup code?
14:11:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]
LisaSeemanKest: I have it
14:11:37 [becky]
present+
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scribe: becky
14:11:56 [becky]
Lionel_Wolberger: asks Lisa for link to source page
14:12:30 [LisaSeemanKest]
https://mycult-5c18a.firebaseapp.com/
14:12:33 [becky]
LisaSeemanKest: provides link, but believe it may be on our wiki page
14:13:05 [sharon]
q?
14:13:36 [becky]
Lionel_Wolberger: Matthew's slide deck is going to get visibility; I tried to get a financial institution interested; BBC is aware of our work, hoping to get them or others as implementors
14:14:59 [becky]
Lionel_Wolberger: I think why section will be hard to get consensus upon; for TPAC believe Matthew will be "owner" of presentation; don't feel be need consensus on the why but really need a strong presentation;
14:15:10 [sharon]
ack JF
14:15:24 [becky]
Lionel_Wolberger: I may have a different presentation deck to recruit implementors
14:15:26 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: In Matt's deck, I don't see the big picture
14:15:46 [becky]
scribe: liionel
14:15:46 [janina]
q+ on the why question
14:15:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... this deck says we are applying attributes
14:16:07 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... another "win" is the ability to apply meta data at the element level
14:16:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... this is an important achievement, as previous attempts failed
14:16:25 [sharon]
ack janina
14:16:25 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to comment on the why question
14:16:34 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: We do have good general language for "why"
14:16:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... people are different, they ahve different needs
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... and different things communicate differently
14:16:59 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... we are facilitating meeting these diverse needs more precisely
14:17:04 [janina]
ack jan
14:17:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: TPAC 2020? Need 2021
14:17:11 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Matthew_Atkinson: Noted, everyone
14:18:57 [Matthew_Atkinson]
q+ re example in Ed's Draft
14:19:11 [sharon]
ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:19:11 [Zakim]
Matthew_Atkinson, you wanted to discuss example in Ed's Draft
14:19:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Lisa do you have the video from 13 July
14:19:24 [Lionel_Wolberger]
LisaSeemanKest: Yes, I see it in my zoom
14:19:38 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Matthew_Atkinson: I see the pull request
14:20:46 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: We see some dialog on issue 1`44
14:21:11 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... Investigating whether we can go to CR with this still unresolved
14:21:17 [sharon]
q?
14:22:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... we should have specific dates and time pretty soon. Make sure you reply to proposed dates
14:24:04 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: moving the module 1.0 presentation to a half day meeting in the second week
14:24:51 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... we will still keep the Wednesday breakout session as well, as it publicizes the spec (in CR) to the wider W3C
14:25:01 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... especially if we have examples
14:27:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina) -- taken up [from sharon]
14:28:04 [Lionel_Wolberger]
sharon: we see Judy put a comment.
14:28:24 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: More than just a comment. we now wait
14:28:41 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... labor day in the way...
14:28:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, close item 2
14:28:42 [Zakim]
agendum 2, i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina), closed
14:28:45 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF) [from sharon]
14:28:47 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF) -- taken up [from sharon]
14:29:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: 'prefers reduced motion' discussion
14:29:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... they are equating distraction with motion. but distraction is a far broader topic than motion
14:29:44 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... they are similar but not the same
14:29:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, close item 3
14:29:54 [Zakim]
agendum 3, issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF), closed
14:29:56 [Zakim]
I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:56 [Zakim]
4. Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements [from sharon]
14:29:58 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements -- taken up [from sharon]
14:31:18 [Roy]
q+
14:31:26 [Roy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#Planning_Upcoming_Announcements
14:31:31 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: we need to get started drafting this
14:31:32 [sharon]
ack Roy
14:31:35 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Roy: here is an example
14:32:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... suggest we start drafting in email
14:32:33 [Roy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#.5BTemplate.5D_Spec_XYZ_Announcements
14:33:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]
sharon: The facilitators (sharon, lionel) will do a first pass and start drafting it
14:34:14 [JF]
@Sharron & ALionel - are you aware of this: https://www.w3.org/Guide/manual-of-style/
14:34:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... we will do a first pass then share with the list
14:34:26 [Lionel_Wolberger]
lionel thanks john for the style link
14:36:14 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/Holidays
14:36:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Reminder that we are off next week, USA labor day
14:37:15 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5 -- Unlabeled GitHub issues https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/ -- taken up [from sharon]
14:38:21 [sharon]
q?
14:38:24 [JF]
Q+
14:38:26 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: COGA Glossary is not labeled
14:38:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]
LisaSeemanKest: This might be out of sync
14:38:55 [janina]
q+
14:39:05 [sharon]
ack JF
14:39:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: We do point to the COGA glossary in Module 1.0
14:40:14 [sharon]
ack janina
14:40:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: glossary would be a good label, as glossaries are a cross-W3C concern today
14:40:40 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: Confirming: there is a pointer in module 1.0
14:41:25 [sharon]
q?
14:41:43 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: It seems we did this action
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q+
14:42:35 [sharon]
ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:44:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: Moves to close the issue
14:45:19 [Lionel_Wolberger]
+1
14:45:29 [sharon]
+1 to close issue
14:45:32 [becky]
+1
14:47:46 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: The final issue, reads:
14:47:47 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... An internationalization principle is that text should not be in attributes. Properties should be structured in a way not to use that design.
14:47:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... Issue #3
14:48:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: HTML is written in English
14:51:05 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel_Wolberger: Move to label it, 'action-required'
14:51:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: and let's take it up with Michael to close it
14:51:21 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: I disagree with the issue.
14:51:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
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agendum 6 -- Action #89 - Update from JF editorial review of Modules 2.0 and 3.0 -- taken up [from sharon]
14:52:49 [janina]
q+
14:53:17 [sharon]
ack janina
14:54:03 [Lionel_Wolberger]
JF: I will begin with editorial changes
14:54:07 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: look for consistency
14:54:29 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: Good work John on what you hjave done to date
14:54:32 [Lionel_Wolberger]
zakim, next item
14:54:32 [Zakim]
I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Lionel_Wolberger
14:56:48 [LisaSeemanKest]
q+
14:57:27 [sharon]
ack LisaSeemanKest
14:57:52 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Lionel: encouraging everybody to talk up Personalization and find a company to implemet
14:58:17 [Lionel_Wolberger]
LisaSeemanKest: BBC's Jaime did a first implementation, we just didn't pass QA at the time
14:58:32 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... Gareth and Jamey are involved
14:59:18 [LisaSeemanKest]
oh wow, what is he doing now?
14:59:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]
LisaSeemanKest: They will know what's best content to put this on.
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been janina, Matthew_Atkinson, JF, Roy, LisaSeemanKest, Lionel_Wolberger, sharon, becky
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-personalization-minutes.html Zakim
15:04:01 [Zakim]
I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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