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13:40:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Personalization Task Force Teleconference
13:40:28 <trackbot> Date: 30 August 2021
13:41:11 <sharon> clear agenda
13:41:20 <sharon> chair: sharon
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13:41:57 <sharon> agenda+ TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:42:47 <sharon> agenda+ i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina)
13:43:18 <sharon> agenda+ issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF)
13:43:53 <sharon> agenda+ Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements
13:44:15 <sharon> agenda+ Unlabeled GitHub issues https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/
13:44:45 <sharon> agenda+ Action #89 - Update from JF editorial review of Modules 2.0 and 3.0
13:44:52 <sharon> agenda?
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13:57:00 <janina> agenda?
13:57:09 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:57:09 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:57:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, stevelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, hadleybeeman, MichaelC, trackbot
13:57:19 <janina> present+
13:57:22 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:57:22 <Zakim> Present: janina
13:57:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, stevelee, Zakim, RRSAgent, sharon, Roy, hadleybeeman, MichaelC, trackbot
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13:57:53 <JF> agenda?
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13:59:48 <Matthew_Atkinson> present+
14:00:30 <JF> Present+
14:01:27 <Roy> present+
14:01:31 <JF> Regrets+ Charles
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14:02:37 <LisaSeemanKest> present+
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14:03:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:03:46 <sharon> present+
14:04:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
14:04:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:04:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- TPAC planning: meeting owners preparing as per list, https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 -- taken up [from sharon]
14:05:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Some hiccoughs in pushing to the GitHack
14:06:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Do we want to draft in a seperate branch?
14:06:32 <sharon> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/gh-pages/talks/2021/tpac/index.html
14:07:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... may need more of an introduction, as to "why" this is important
14:08:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:08:22 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:08:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:08:51 <sharon> ack LisaSeemanKest
14:09:07 <JF> Q+
14:09:18 <sharon> q?
14:10:24 <sharon> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:11:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Thanks to Matt
14:11:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> .. who has the tea cup code?
14:11:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: I have it
14:11:37 <becky> present+
14:11:43 <becky> scribe: becky
14:11:56 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: asks Lisa for link to source page
14:12:30 <LisaSeemanKest> https://mycult-5c18a.firebaseapp.com/
14:12:33 <becky> LisaSeemanKest: provides link, but believe it may be on our wiki page
14:13:05 <sharon> q?
14:13:36 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: Matthew's slide deck is going to get visibility; I tried to get a financial institution interested; BBC is aware of our work, hoping to get them or others as implementors
14:14:59 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: I think why section will be hard to get consensus upon; for TPAC believe Matthew will be "owner" of presentation; don't feel be need consensus on the why but really need a strong presentation;
14:15:10 <sharon> ack JF
14:15:24 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: I may have a different presentation deck to recruit implementors
14:15:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: In Matt's deck, I don't see the big picture
14:15:46 <becky> scribe: liionel
14:15:46 <janina> q+ on the why question
14:15:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this deck says we are applying attributes
14:16:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... another "win" is the ability to apply meta data at the element level
14:16:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is an important achievement, as previous attempts failed
14:16:25 <sharon> ack janina
14:16:25 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to comment on the why question
14:16:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We do have good general language for "why"
14:16:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... people are different, they ahve different needs
14:16:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and different things communicate differently
14:16:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we are facilitating meeting these diverse needs more precisely
14:17:04 <janina> ack jan
14:17:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: TPAC 2020? Need 2021
14:17:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: Noted, everyone
14:18:57 <Matthew_Atkinson> q+ re example in Ed's Draft
14:19:11 <sharon> ack Matthew_Atkinson
14:19:11 <Zakim> Matthew_Atkinson, you wanted to discuss example in Ed's Draft
14:19:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Lisa do you have the video from 13 July
14:19:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: Yes, I see it in my zoom
14:19:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Matthew_Atkinson: I see the pull request
14:20:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We see some dialog on issue 1`44
14:21:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Investigating whether we can go to CR with this still unresolved
14:21:17 <sharon> q?
14:22:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we should have specific dates and time pretty soon. Make sure you reply to proposed dates
14:24:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: moving the module 1.0 presentation to a half day meeting in the second week
14:24:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we will still keep the Wednesday breakout session as well, as it publicizes the spec (in CR) to the wider W3C
14:25:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... especially if we have examples
14:27:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:27:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina) -- taken up [from sharon]
14:28:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> sharon: we see Judy put a comment.
14:28:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: More than just a comment. we now wait
14:28:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... labor day in the way...
14:28:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item 2
14:28:42 <Zakim> agendum 2, i18n issue #144 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/144 (Janina), closed
14:28:45 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:28:45 <Zakim> 3. issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF) [from sharon]
14:28:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:28:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF) -- taken up [from sharon]
14:29:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: 'prefers reduced motion' discussion
14:29:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they are equating distraction with motion. but distraction is a far broader topic than motion
14:29:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they are similar but not the same
14:29:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close item 3
14:29:54 <Zakim> agendum 3, issue #170 - https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/170 (JF), closed
14:29:56 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:56 <Zakim> 4. Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements [from sharon]
14:29:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:29:58 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Messaging template - https://www.w3.org/wiki/WAI/announcements -- taken up [from sharon]
14:31:18 <Roy> q+
14:31:26 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#Planning_Upcoming_Announcements
14:31:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: we need to get started drafting this
14:31:32 <sharon> ack Roy
14:31:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> Roy: here is an example
14:32:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... suggest we start drafting in email
14:32:33 <Roy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/cc/wiki/WAI_Announcement_Drafts#.5BTemplate.5D_Spec_XYZ_Announcements
14:33:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> sharon: The facilitators (sharon, lionel) will do a first pass and start drafting it
14:34:14 <JF> @Sharron & ALionel - are you aware of this: https://www.w3.org/Guide/manual-of-style/
14:34:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we will do a first pass then share with the list
14:34:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> lionel thanks john for the style link
14:36:14 <janina> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Holidays
14:36:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Reminder that we are off next week, USA labor day
14:37:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:37:15 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Unlabeled GitHub issues https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/issues/ -- taken up [from sharon]
14:38:21 <sharon> q?
14:38:24 <JF> Q+
14:38:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: COGA Glossary is not labeled
14:38:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: This might be out of sync
14:38:55 <janina> q+
14:39:05 <sharon> ack JF
14:39:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: We do point to the COGA glossary in Module 1.0
14:40:14 <sharon> ack janina
14:40:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: glossary would be a good label, as glossaries are a cross-W3C concern today
14:40:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Confirming: there is a pointer in module 1.0
14:41:25 <sharon> q?
14:41:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: It seems we did this action
14:41:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
14:42:35 <sharon> ack Lionel_Wolberger
14:44:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Moves to close the issue
14:45:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> +1
14:45:29 <sharon> +1 to close issue
14:45:32 <becky> +1
14:47:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: The final issue, reads:
14:47:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... An internationalization principle is that text should not be in attributes. Properties should be structured in a way not to use that design.
14:47:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Issue #3
14:48:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: HTML is written in English
14:51:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Move to label it, 'action-required'
14:51:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: and let's take it up with Michael to close it
14:51:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: I disagree with the issue.
14:51:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:51:57 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Action #89 - Update from JF editorial review of Modules 2.0 and 3.0 -- taken up [from sharon]
14:52:49 <janina> q+
14:53:17 <sharon> ack janina
14:54:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: I will begin with editorial changes
14:54:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: look for consistency
14:54:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Good work John on what you hjave done to date
14:54:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:54:32 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Lionel_Wolberger
14:56:48 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
14:57:27 <sharon> ack LisaSeemanKest
14:57:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: encouraging everybody to talk up Personalization and find a company to implemet
14:58:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: BBC's Jaime did a first implementation, we just didn't pass QA at the time
14:58:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Gareth and Jamey are involved
14:59:18 <LisaSeemanKest> oh wow, what is he doing now?
14:59:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: They will know what's best content to put this on.
15:03:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
15:03:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Matthew_Atkinson, JF, Roy, LisaSeemanKest, Lionel_Wolberger, sharon, becky
15:03:58 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/30-personalization-minutes.html Zakim
15:04:01 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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