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12:24:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessibility Education and Outreach Working Group (EOWG) Teleconference
12:24:23 <trackbot> Date: 27 August 2021
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12:28:36 <brent> present+
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12:29:12 <Sharron> Chair: Sharron
12:29:21 <brent> Scribe: eoncins
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12:30:34 <CarlosD> present+
12:30:37 <brent> zakim, who is on the call?
12:30:37 <Zakim> Present: brent, CarlosD
12:30:44 <Laura> present+ Laura
12:31:28 <brent> Present+ Estella, Donna, Hidde, Mark, Daniel, Michele, Leticia, Jade
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12:33:28 <brent> present+ Kris Anne, Billie
12:33:34 <eoncins> Sharron: Hidde will comment on topics arround WCAG report tool
12:34:10 <eoncins> Topic: WCAG Em report tool
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12:35:03 <brent> Changes and fixes since last review: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-eo-chairs/2021JulSep/0098.html
12:35:10 <eoncins> Hidde: There are some last minutes comments. There were 2 specific things I wanted to highlight...
12:35:23 <Sharron> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-eo-chairs/2021JulSep/0098.html
12:35:47 <eoncins> on the first page you can select HTML, CSS under others. A request was made to add also pdf...
12:36:16 <eoncins> do you agree to add .pdf or own technology?
12:37:00 <eoncins> Sharron: According to the low vision Task Force pdf should not be included...
12:37:27 <eoncins> ...pdf is absolutely a non accessible technology and should not be in the default list...
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12:38:02 <eoncins> ...this is the other bit of context.
12:38:29 <eoncins> Hidde: Thanks Sharron.
12:38:46 <eoncins> Sharron: Any comments about adding pdf as technology?
12:39:01 <eoncins> Laura: I agree that it is unappropiate to add it.
12:39:12 <dmontalvo> q+ to support proposal
12:39:25 <krisannekinney> +1 to support pdf
12:39:36 <CarlosD> +1 to support including pdf
12:39:43 <dmontalvo> ack dmo
12:39:43 <Zakim> dmontalvo, you wanted to support proposal
12:39:44 <MarkPalmer> +1
12:39:47 <Donna> +1 to support including PDF
12:39:48 <Jade> +1
12:39:54 <eoncins> Daniel: I agree that it is easier to acknowledge that.
12:39:56 <eoncins> +1
12:40:14 <eoncins> Sharron: Any other items on WCAG-EM report tool?
12:41:25 <eoncins> Hidde: The new tool will replace the old tool. A comment has been included with a warning a box in yellow...
12:41:43 <eoncins> also in the footer there is an indication to the previous version...
12:42:02 <eoncins> ...maybe the yellow box at the top can be removed?
12:42:12 <Laura> q+
12:42:31 <eoncins> ...do we want the banner at the top?
12:42:33 <hdv> ack Laura
12:43:01 <eoncins> Laura: I agree that the yellow banner can be removed. With the footer is ok.
12:43:04 <dmontalvo> q+
12:43:08 <krisannekinney> q+
12:43:12 <Michele> q+
12:43:15 <hdv> Laura: feels like you are not confident about the tool
12:43:34 <MarkPalmer> -1 to the banner
12:43:42 <Donna> +1 not showing the banner - the only reason to have that would be if they are to have a huge problem w the new one.
12:43:47 <hdv> q?
12:44:08 <hdv> ack dmontalvo
12:44:27 <Sharron> ack dmontalvo
12:44:37 <eoncins> Krisanne: Somebody may want to know were is the old version.
12:44:51 <Sharron> ack krisannekinney
12:44:54 <eoncins> Hidde: With a link would be enough?
12:45:49 <eoncins> Krisanne: It is important that people submitting with the old version can finish the submission.
12:46:45 <eoncins> Hidde: Someone that is submitting can export on jason file and finish the submission.
12:47:17 <Donna> The export/import of reports: is that well documented?
12:47:33 <eoncins> Sharron: If I save a jason file with the old tool. I can import it with the new version and finish the submission?
12:47:42 <eoncins> Hidde: yes it should work.
12:48:05 <Laura> q+
12:48:06 <eoncins> Sharron: Maybe this can be announced to the audience?
12:48:09 <hdv> q?
12:48:11 <eoncins> Hidde: yes
12:48:18 <Sharron> ack Michele
12:48:18 <hdv> ack Michele
12:49:13 <eoncins> Michelle: I think that it is important to let people know that this is a new version and indicate a deadline.
12:49:24 <eoncins> Sharron: That's a good suggestion.
12:49:24 <hdv> q?
12:49:31 <Sharron> ack Laura
12:50:13 <eoncins> Laura: I agree with Michelle with the deadline for the old version and indicate it. A soft transition to the new version.
12:51:14 <eoncins> Sharron: This is true.
12:52:22 <eoncins> Sharron: As a group we would like to have the message on the top but the message should be more friendly. Is that correct?
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12:52:38 <MarkPalmer> +1 to what Sharron proposes
12:52:48 <Jade> +1
12:53:25 <eoncins> Laura: Yes, it is important to indicate that the old version will move away but people will have time to still use it.
12:53:58 <eoncins> Hidde: We really need to get the wording right.
12:54:55 <eoncins> ...we have a lot of things going on at the bottom of the tool. For accessible reasons we need to have it right.
12:56:24 <Sharron> Micheles in chat: Welcome to the new WCAG-EM Tool. You can access the old version (linked) until Sept 21, 2021.
12:56:52 <Jade> Somebody needs to remember to take that off on Sept 21st btw
12:57:00 <eoncins> Sharron: That's good because it addressed the concern of not having confidence to the new version.
12:57:10 <brent> q+
12:57:24 <Donna> Have to drop - more wacky stuff! Lovely to see your faces and talk soon!!
12:57:37 <Michele> I totally made up that date!
12:57:48 <eoncins> Sharron: We have to make sure that once the deadline is gone the old version is not available.
12:58:01 <brent> ack me
12:58:14 <eoncins> Laura: More than 3 moths might be too much.
12:58:27 <brent> +1 to 3 months
12:58:40 <eoncins> Sharron: Let's give a 3 months window. Thanks for the work Hidde.
12:59:07 <eoncins> Topic: Curricula Modules
12:59:32 <eoncins> Sharron: We had quite a lot of work to consider. I will turn it into Daniel.
12:59:46 <eoncins> Daniel: I will past the first issue to deal with.
13:00:58 <eoncins> Daniel: We had a discussion regarding the structure and differentiations between designers and developers...
13:01:36 <eoncins> ...now in the module one we have included the color and also we have switched module 2 and module 3...
13:02:13 <eoncins> ...now information design is module 2 and navigation is module 3...
13:02:25 <brent> Draft Curricula Designer Modules: https://deploy-preview-389--wai-curricula.netlify.app/curricula/designer-modules/
13:03:01 <eoncins> ...in information design we have added forms and controls. Also we will add information on forms...
13:03:37 <eoncins> ...module 3 will remain the same. In terms of images we also added informative images and complex images...
13:04:05 <eoncins> ...we will also add information regarding the role of the image...
13:05:13 <eoncins> ...in the last module we also made some modifications to cover topics related to gestions and motions. A lot of changes in structure and information...
13:05:36 <eoncins> ...we want now to make sure that people agrees with the changes made.
13:05:37 <Sharron> q?
13:06:40 <eoncins> Sharron: Maybe we need a new survey. Daniel you had already several comments with other people, have you addressed all them?
13:06:58 <eoncins> Daniel: yes we are having an exchange with people and addressing them.
13:07:45 <eoncins> ...on the detail side yes. On the structural side I decided to discuss them with the EO.
13:07:58 <eoncins> ...we may wait for a survey.
13:08:23 <eoncins> ...today I was looking for first reactions.
13:08:59 <eoncins> Sharron: It seems that now the curricula focus more on designers. Any reactions from the group?
13:09:39 <eoncins> Michelle: To me forms, interactions and feedback may not work together. But I want to see the survey.
13:10:00 <CarlosD> q+
13:10:03 <eoncins> Daniel: I see that we could split that in two different topics.
13:10:47 <eoncins> Michelle: I maybe could join the next TF and explain the comments.
13:10:54 <Sharron> ack CarlosD
13:11:23 <eoncins> Carlos: Just wanted to ecco that we have this in the back of our minds I also do not feel comfortable in mixing all the terms together...
13:12:37 <eoncins> ...I thinks that module 1 could be called visual desing, module 2 is ok module 3 is navigation desing and module 4 would be interaction design.
13:12:49 <eoncins> Daniel: It sound a good suggestion.
13:12:51 <eoncins> q+
13:13:10 <eoncins> Daniel: That would be more consistent with the developers curricula.
13:14:30 <dmontalvo> Estella: ONe of the comments that I made is for the dvelopers a single word described the module, for a designer we have more descriptive titles. That would me more consistent
13:14:49 <eoncins> Daniel: We may have two words in the designers and one word on the developers.
13:15:04 <eoncins> ...for the designers we need to be a bit more descriptive.
13:15:35 <eoncins> Sharron: I am glad that we have Michelle onboard on the TF meetings.
13:15:41 <dmontalvo> https://github.com/w3c/wai-curricula/issues/378/#issuecomment-905383586
13:16:31 <eoncins> Daniel: There were other comments regarding wording and WCAG specific terminology which have been removed. We are working on those.
13:16:40 <eoncins> ...this is also happening.
13:16:50 <eoncins> Sharron: That's great.
13:17:12 <eoncins> Daniel: Thanks to the TF participants.
13:18:27 <eoncins> Brent: We will have a survey on this. So it is important to add comments of the EO calls in the surveys.
13:19:01 <eoncins> Sharron: Good job and progress on the designers' curricula.
13:19:13 <eoncins> Topic: Wrap up
13:19:37 <Michele> q+
13:19:44 <eoncins> Sharron: Follow the progress of the different projects, surveys and work of the EO.
13:19:50 <eoncins> q+
13:20:42 <eoncins> Michelle: For me it is really helpful that you add the deadline as subject for the surveys.
13:21:18 <eoncins> Sharron: We are happy to do that and if you miss the deadline please do not hesitate to inform us.
13:21:31 <brent> ack Michele
13:21:37 <brent> ack eon
13:21:54 <dmontalvo> Estella: We are working on a Universal Design Project. I don't know if you are ocnsidering these principles when writing your materials. Just a comment
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13:23:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been brent, CarlosD, Laura, Estella, Donna, Hidde, Mark, Daniel, Michele, Leticia, Jade, Kris, Anne, Billie
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