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10:51:24 <angel> zakim, agenda?
10:51:24 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
10:51:36 <angel> Meeting: MiniApp WG Monthly Call
10:51:39 <angel> Chair: Angel
10:54:08 <angel> agenda: deliverables statues review
10:54:24 <angel> s/agenda: deliverables statues review//
10:54:31 <angel> agenda+ deliverables statues review
10:54:44 <angel> agenda+ TPAC2021 planning
10:55:12 <angel> agenda+ white paper maintenance
10:55:22 <angel> agenda+ Next Teleconf time
10:55:26 <angel> agenda+ AoB
11:38:21 <angel> zakim, agenda?
11:38:21 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
11:38:22 <Zakim> 1. deliverables statues review [from angel]
11:38:22 <Zakim> 2. TPAC2021 planning [from angel]
11:38:22 <Zakim> 3. white paper maintenance [from angel]
11:38:22 <Zakim> 4. Next Teleconf time [from angel]
11:38:22 <Zakim> 5. AoB [from angel]
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11:54:34 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Call
11:54:41 <xfq> rrsagent, make log public
11:54:45 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
11:54:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/26-miniapp-minutes.html xfq
11:54:57 <xfq> present+ angel, xfq
12:00:50 <xfq> present+ Wenli_Zhang
12:00:53 <xfq> present+ martin
12:01:50 <xfq> present+ Dan
12:01:59 <xfq> present+ yanyumeng
12:02:02 <xfq> present+ tomayac3
12:02:08 <xfq> present+ zitao
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12:02:57 <xfq> present+ tengyuan
12:03:02 <angel> zakim, take up agenda 1
12:03:02 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- deliverables statues review -- taken up [from angel]
12:03:07 <martin> present+ martin_alvarez
12:03:20 <xfq> angel: deliverables review
12:03:27 <xfq> ... lifecycle
12:03:37 <xfq> ... qing may be late for a while
12:03:41 <xfq> ... let's move to manifest
12:03:56 <xfq> present+ canfeng
12:04:04 <xfq> present+ xuying07
12:04:22 <xfq> present+ kapoor_manvi_rakuten
12:04:56 <xfq> martin: minor changes
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12:05:46 <xfq> zitao: updated the manifest json schema
12:06:12 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:06:19 <xfq> present+ Yongjing
12:07:59 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/28
12:08:44 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/23
12:10:57 <xfq> angel: any objection on merging 28 and 23?
12:11:02 <xfq> [no objectoin]
12:11:15 <xfq> angel: packaging
12:11:30 <xfq> martin: not much update
12:11:43 <xfq> ... refining the spec, haven't sent the PR yet
12:12:04 <xfq> ... clean the spec in order to request wider review
12:12:19 <xfq> ... clarifying the terms
12:12:47 <xfq> ... will do it this week
12:13:12 <xfq> angel: in our charter we plan to release the CR in Q4
12:13:20 <xfq> ... need to hurry up
12:13:46 <xfq> ... urge our editors and participants to get the CR draft ready
12:15:08 <xfq> ... get the draft ready at least in Nov
12:15:57 <xfq> martin: I think we can have a solid draft in the next week or in a couple of weeks
12:16:06 <xfq> ... hopefully before the next WG call
12:16:36 <xfq> angel: I'll convey the info to qing as well
12:16:56 <xfq> present+ gaoliang
12:17:06 <xfq> angel: addressing
12:17:35 <xfq> dan: please comment on PR
12:17:50 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-addressing/pull/3
12:17:52 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-addressing/pull/4
12:18:23 <xfq> dan: first PR is image fix for explainer
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12:19:17 <xfq> angel: comment from yongjing
12:19:38 <xfq> dan: do you think we should vote for merging this pr or we should wait for more comemnts?
12:19:48 <xfq> s/dan:/... /
12:20:04 <xfq> angel: if there's no comment in the next month we do a group vote
12:22:40 <xfq> canfeng: open for receiving comments for widgets
12:22:46 <xfq> ... no update
12:23:20 <xfq> angel: we don't have a timetable for it on the charter, but progress is appreciated
12:23:32 <angel> zakim, close this item
12:23:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
12:23:33 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:23:33 <Zakim> 2. TPAC2021 planning [from angel]
12:23:36 <angel> zakim, take up next
12:23:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC2021 planning -- taken up [from angel]
12:24:04 <xfq> angel: 25 - 29 October
12:24:06 <angel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
12:24:36 <xfq> angel: do we want to meeting in tpac?
12:24:43 <xfq> ... i assume yes
12:25:13 <xfq> ... if we could let's try to meet on Oct 28
12:28:25 <xfq> ... @@
12:28:55 <xfq> ... 12-14 UTC
12:29:28 <martin> +1 to Angel's proposal
12:31:44 <xfq> canfeng: can we invite more international companies to join our meeting?
12:32:06 <xfq> angel: we used to have the TPAC week offline
12:32:22 <xfq> ... most wgs and igs meet at tpac
12:32:32 <xfq> ... some groups choose to have joint meetings
12:32:43 <xfq> ... now we move offline to online
12:32:47 <martin> q+
12:32:51 <xfq> ... great to have cross-group discussions
12:33:02 <xfq> ... your suggestion is good
12:33:26 <xfq> ... by international companies do you mean w3c members or non-members?
12:34:17 <xfq> canfeng: either is fine
12:34:25 <xfq> ... looking forward to see their comments
12:34:52 <martin> What about to organize a dedicated session as a breakout session? We can present these tools and implementations mentioned by Zitao, also an opportunity for other companies as Chen Canfeng mentioned.
12:34:58 <xfq> angel: this wg is a pretty international one, for example, we have people from google and rakuten in the call today
12:35:21 <xfq> ... there is patent policy guiding the meeting
12:36:10 <angel> ack martin
12:36:43 <xfq> q+
12:37:16 <xfq> martin: breakout session is public
12:37:42 <angel> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34257/TPAC2021-F2FSocial/
12:37:47 <xfq> angel: a breakout session might work
12:38:21 <xfq> angel: we can organize a tpac breakout session
12:38:28 <xfq> ... wdyt canfeng?
12:39:00 <xfq> canfeng: in the first half of this year we invited some international companies to attend our meeting but did not get much feedback
12:39:08 <xfq> ... hope we get more feedback this time
12:39:18 <xfq> ... zitao's proposal
12:39:41 <xfq> ... I think feedback is quite important
12:40:12 <xfq> angel: wide review is good, but not every company have relevant products
12:40:13 <xfq> ... comments are welcome
12:40:27 <angel> ack xfq
12:40:38 <angel> q?
12:42:10 <xfq> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2021/Demos_and_Group_updates
12:42:33 <xfq> xfq: @@
12:42:41 <xfq> angel: will fill out the tpac page
12:42:52 <angel> zakim, close this item
12:42:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
12:42:53 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:42:53 <Zakim> 3. white paper maintenance [from angel]
12:43:04 <angel> zakim, take up next
12:43:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- white paper maintenance -- taken up [from angel]
12:43:16 <martin> s/xfq: @@/xfq: Apart from the TPAC and breakout sessions. In this TPAC event, there is a dedicated session for demos and implementations.
12:43:32 <angel> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22white+paper%22
12:45:44 <xfq> angel: @@
12:45:51 <xfq> ... 3 years ago we began to think about standardize MiniApp
12:46:37 <xfq> ... with the help of this white paper we explained what is MiniApp and why we want to standardize it
12:46:48 <xfq> ... then we created the cg and wg
12:47:03 <xfq> ... we achieved the goal and what's the next step
12:47:30 <xfq> ... the white paper can be seen as "bigger picture" of MiniApp at w3c
12:47:46 <xfq> ... the work from wg and cg
12:47:57 <xfq> ... if it's not too much work we can publish it yearly
12:48:08 <xfq> ... before christmas
12:48:25 <xfq> ... see the current status of MiniApp and what problems we solved
12:48:46 <xfq> s/before christmas/look at it before christmas and publish it after the new year/
12:49:00 <xfq> angel: shouldn't take too much time
12:49:08 <xiaoqian> q+
12:49:08 <martin> +1 to keep the white paper as a reference document
12:49:17 <xfq> ... personsal proposal
12:49:23 <xfq> zitao: makes sense to me
12:49:23 <martin> q+
12:49:33 <xfq> ... provide a whole picture of MiniApps
12:49:42 <xfq> ... about the specifications
12:50:38 <xfq> ... help the developers to understand
12:51:08 <xfq> canfeng: we should continue to improve the white paper
12:51:17 <xfq> ... we should limit the technical details of white paper
12:51:41 <xfq> ... the white paper should be easy for non-tech-savvy users to understand too
12:52:01 <xfq> ... for the details we can point to other documents
12:52:11 <xfq> ... people can click the links
12:52:20 <angel> ack xiaoqian
12:52:45 <xfq> xiaoqian: first i'd like to thank the all editors
12:52:54 <xfq> ... i saw it referenced in many articles
12:53:05 <xfq> ... i agree that we should continue the work
12:53:29 <xfq> ... in the future work we should focus on explaining the relationship of MiniApps and web view and pwa
12:53:34 <xfq> ... it's frequently asked
12:53:57 <xfq> ... could you write down the plan of the white paper in a GitHub issue, angel or xfq?
12:54:06 <xfq> angel: i have some initial plan
12:54:19 <xfq> ... start some work in Nov
12:54:29 <xfq> ... publish it in Jan
12:54:33 <xfq> ... do this once a year
12:54:43 <angel> ack martin
12:54:44 <xfq> ... i'll provide more info on GitHub soon
12:55:00 <xfq> martin: +1 to angel
12:55:49 <xfq> angel: set up a TF to revise the 2022 version of white paper
12:56:01 <angel> zakim, close this item
12:56:01 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
12:56:02 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:56:02 <Zakim> 4. Next Teleconf time [from angel]
12:56:59 <xfq> angel: next meeting, sep 23?
12:57:45 <martin> +1 sep 23
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