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14:49:46 <avneeshsingh> zakim, this will be pcg-a11y
14:49:46 <Zakim> ok, avneeshsingh
14:49:57 <avneeshsingh> present+
14:50:09 <avneeshsingh> chair: avneeshsingh
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15:03:08 <gpellegrino> present+
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15:03:56 <JF> agenda?
15:04:26 <JF> zakim, who is here?
15:04:26 <Zakim> Present: avneeshsingh, gpellegrino, Madeleine
15:04:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see JF, CharlesL, gpellegrino, Zakim, RRSAgent, avneeshsingh, Madeleine
15:04:35 <JF> present+
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15:05:21 <gpellegrino> scribe+
15:05:50 <avneeshsingh> topic: Finalize User experience guide for displaying accessibility metadata: version 1.0 release.
15:05:58 <avneeshsingh> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/principles/
15:06:05 <avneeshsingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues
15:06:40 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: we fixed all issues for this release, there are others which requires more discussion
15:06:48 <gpellegrino> ... we live them for next release
15:06:55 <gpellegrino> s/live/leave/
15:07:02 <gpellegrino> q+
15:07:48 <JF> Q+
15:07:48 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:07:57 <avneeshsingh> ack next
15:08:07 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: we have to merge the branch for images
15:08:32 <avneeshsingh> ack jf
15:08:53 <gpellegrino> ... then I have to fix small errors on internal links and then we are ready from a formal point of view
15:08:59 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: right
15:09:51 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:10:01 <gpellegrino> JF: I don't know if it is the right call, I have concern about the conformsTo metadata (and the issue that Avneesh reaised about the tolerance)
15:10:27 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: this document is about display metadata, not on the metadata itself
15:10:55 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:11:22 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:11:33 <gpellegrino> JF: I understand, but if I have a badge on the page telling that the ebook is conformant to WCAG and then it is not...
15:11:50 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: I think it is out-of-scope for this document
15:12:15 <gpellegrino> JF: maybe we can add a note near conformsTo telling that there is an open issue
15:12:22 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:12:22 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: what do you think?
15:13:22 <gpellegrino> Madeleine: I think that since there is a certifier we shouldn't have problems
15:13:56 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: maybe we can add a note telling that conformsTo may change in the future
15:14:01 <JF> https://w3c.github.io/publ-a11y/UX-Guide-Metadata/principles/#example-1
15:14:06 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:14:07 <JF> Q+
15:14:39 <gpellegrino> George: I think that publishers can put something about the level of conformance in the accessibility summary
15:14:48 <avneeshsingh> ack jf
15:15:45 <gpellegrino> JF: I pasted example 1, this example tells me that this book is fully compliant
15:15:47 <gpellegrino> q+
15:16:00 <avneeshsingh> ack next
15:16:45 <CharlesL> q+
15:17:25 <avneeshsingh> ack charles
15:17:28 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I think the metadata is correct, the ebook in the example is fully conformant
15:17:40 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: maybe having a note is fine
15:18:44 <JF> +1 to generic Editor's Note
15:18:45 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:19:17 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: also this points to EPUB Accessibility 1.0, not 1.1 where we have relaxed the requirement for long descriptions
15:19:27 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: ok, what about having a note?
15:19:33 <gpellegrino> +1 to note
15:20:40 <gpellegrino> JF: may we add an example of an accessibilitySummary telling that the ebook is not fully compliant?
15:21:02 <avneeshsingh> proposal: release version 1.0 of user experience guide with editor's note that doc will be updated with update in metadata
15:21:15 <gpellegrino> +1
15:21:15 <JF> +1 to adding a note
15:21:16 <CharlesL> +1
15:21:23 <Madeleine> +1
15:21:29 <CharlesL> George +1
15:21:59 <avneeshsingh> resolved
15:22:46 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: where do we want to put the note?
15:22:53 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: in the Principles
15:23:35 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: maybe anche in the EPUB techniques metadata
15:23:38 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: ok
15:23:46 <gpellegrino> s/anche/also/
15:23:59 <avneeshsingh> topic: Planning for the release and promotion.
15:24:37 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: maybe we can release early and promote after one-two weeks
15:25:31 <gpellegrino> gpellegrino: I can work on this document this week
15:25:47 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:25:52 <gpellegrino> George: what about on the 7th the release
15:26:57 <gpellegrino> ... and September 21st for launching the comunication
15:27:04 <avneeshsingh> proposed: release on sept 7, and start promotion on sept 21
15:27:42 <gpellegrino> +1
15:27:48 <CharlesL> +1
15:28:45 <CharlesL> q+
15:28:54 <Madeleine> +1
15:28:57 <avneeshsingh> ack charles
15:29:17 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: this will be a CG report, correct?
15:29:34 <gpellegrino> ... do we need checks with the Community Group?
15:29:37 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: no
15:30:25 <avneeshsingh> resolved
15:30:44 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: Topic: communication
15:30:55 <gpellegrino> ... we will need both internal and external
15:31:08 <gpellegrino> ... the target is mainly distributor, retailers and librarians
15:32:21 <gpellegrino> ... in W3C we'll announce in Publishing CG, EPUB 3 WG, Publishing Business Group and Publishing Steering Committee
15:32:44 <gpellegrino> ... do you think other groups are interested?
15:33:06 <gpellegrino> George: I can tell about it in the chairs' call
15:33:07 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:34:02 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: what about outside W3C?
15:34:15 <gpellegrino> Madeleine: IMS Global and the libraries in Canada
15:34:52 <gpellegrino> George: also Bennetech is really interested, Cristina in LIA and in DAISY Sarah and Richard
15:35:26 <gpellegrino> ... I have an IMS Global meeting tomorrow, I can tell them
15:35:43 <avneeshsingh> q?
15:35:45 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: why not organize a call with people outside W3C?
15:35:48 <gpellegrino> +1
15:36:06 <gpellegrino> CharlesL: what about retailers that would implement them?
15:36:45 <gpellegrino> George: they are target audience, but they wouldn't help with the communication
15:39:40 <gpellegrino> avneeshsingh: AOB
15:40:55 <avneeshsingh> rrsagent, make logs public
15:41:06 <avneeshsingh> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/23-pcg-a11y-minutes.html avneeshsingh
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15:44:36 <avneeshsingh> zakim, leave
15:44:36 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been avneeshsingh, gpellegrino, Madeleine, JF
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17:36:17 <George> helo world
17:37:12 <_nick_George> Hello world