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11:55:59 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps CG Monthly TeleConf
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11:57:34 <xfq> present+ qing
11:59:34 <tomayac> present+ ThomasSteiner
12:00:41 <xfq> present+ changhao_liang
12:00:46 <xfq> present+ martin
12:00:53 <xfq> present+ dan
12:01:03 <xfq> present+ yanyumeng
12:01:20 <xfq> present+ zitao_wang
12:01:28 <xfq> present+ canfeng_chen
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12:04:29 <xiaoqian> topic: UI Component Issue #2
12:04:34 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-components/issues/2
12:05:00 <xiaoqian> qing: whether this is within the scope of MiniApps?
12:05:24 <xfq> present+ tengyuan
12:05:29 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
12:05:35 <xfq> present+ Yongjing
12:05:43 <xfq> present+ bingqing_zhou
12:06:51 <xiaoqian> zitao: I agree with the comment that we should be harmonise with the other current works
12:07:05 <xiaoqian> ... our proposal is still early draft
12:07:14 <xiaoqian> ... working on use cases
12:07:22 <xiaoqian> ... still a lot need to be done
12:07:36 <xiaoqian> ... case by case analysis
12:08:13 <xiaoqian> ... we need to provide guidance to the developers
12:09:13 <xiaoqian> ... we will look into the gap between this proposal and the current W3C community work
12:10:59 <xiaoqian> ... the goal is to support the current w3c work and let it be harmonised with MiniApps
12:11:47 <xiaoqian> qing: do you plan to make it a community draft?
12:13:34 <xiaoqian> dan: our goal is to let the MiniApps vendors to have a unified implementation
12:13:47 <xiaoqian> ... so it's important to list the requirements and use cases
12:14:20 <xiaoqian> ... and then start thinking about how to harmonise with the WebApp UI components
12:14:30 <tomayac>  https://github.com/openui/open-ui
12:15:03 <xiaoqian> tomayac: the miniapp community have experience developing their UI components
12:15:28 <xiaoqian> ... but please avoid developing HTML UI Components
12:15:54 <xiaoqian> ... the sharing the requirement will be valuable
12:16:03 <tomayac> Example component definition: https://open-ui.org/components/select
12:16:03 <xiaoqian> zitao: agree with tomayac
12:16:15 <xiaoqian> ... would like to participate in the work
12:16:40 <xiaoqian> ... provide the capacity to MiniApp and help the MiniApp developers
12:16:50 <xiaoqian> ... that's what we want in the CG
12:19:09 <xiaoqian> zitao: next step, call for volunteers
12:19:41 <xiaoqian> ... help to optimise the requirement descriptions and use cases
12:20:00 <xiaoqian> ... keep the conversation with the other groups in UI components
12:20:14 <xiaoqian> ... provide a more clear structure for this document
12:26:32 <xiaoqian> zitao: the work is still in the CG
12:29:51 <xiaoqian> action: Zitao to reply to the issue and clarify the work is in the CG, not in the charter of the WG. And continue working on the requirements and use cases.
12:31:08 <xiaoqian> topic: Pull Request: MiniApp for IoT Use Cases
12:31:43 <xiaoqian> qing: would like to create a new state in the lifecycle for IoT
12:32:00 <xiaoqian> ... also a callback function
12:32:07 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-iot/pull/1
12:32:12 <xiaoqian> ... similar to the page cycle
12:32:36 <xiaoqian> s/page cycle/MiniApp Page Lifecycle
12:33:20 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/blob/main/USE-CASES/device-lifecycle.md
12:33:32 <xiaoqian> ... need to look at the WoT proposals
12:33:48 <xiaoqian> xfq: we can ask for feedback from the WoT IG
12:36:49 <xiaoqian> ... any other comments?
12:37:19 <xiaoqian> martin: I raised an issue about lifecycle
12:37:30 <xiaoqian> ... including examples and use cases
12:38:45 <xiaoqian> ... I'll review the pull request
12:40:37 <xiaoqian> topic: Tools to convert the documents
12:41:38 <xiaoqian> zitao: I'd like to call for participation to develop a few tools to convert the proposals into vendor implementation specs
12:42:18 <xiaoqian> ... for the MiniApp industry
12:42:25 <xiaoqian> ... including demo tools
12:42:40 <xiaoqian> ... to verify the feasibility of the standards
12:42:56 <xiaoqian> ... enable the cross-platform deployment of the MiniApps
12:43:31 <xiaoqian> ... give developers confident to use standards
12:43:40 <xiaoqian> ... early idea
12:43:54 <xiaoqian> ... converting the manifest.js
12:44:16 <xiaoqian> ... would like to call for volunteers to work with me
12:44:44 <xiaoqian> s/manifest.js/manifest.json
12:45:00 <xiaoqian> ... we can have a session in this year's TPAC
12:45:55 <xiaoqian> dan: why do we need to a tool for conflicting names?
12:46:16 <xiaoqian> ... I think different vendors should use the same name
12:46:55 <xiaoqian> zitao: the goal is to get rid of these platform-specific names
12:47:05 <xiaoqian> ... but they are existing
12:47:56 <xiaoqian> xfq: in this case, we need to convert the old manifest into the new one
12:48:14 <xiaoqian> zitao: standard manifest can be translated into vendor-specific ones
12:48:35 <xiaoqian> ... vendor manifest should be allowed to translated into the standard one
12:49:32 <xiaoqian> martin: I think this is a valid use case
12:49:41 <xiaoqian> canfeng: interesting idea
12:50:06 <xiaoqian> ... but I'm think the relationship with the standards
12:50:17 <xiaoqian> ... will it bring in new standards?
12:50:32 <xiaoqian> zitao: no, this is the roadmap
12:51:08 <xiaoqian> ... just want to help the CG and the WG to get closer to the industry
12:51:32 <xiaoqian> ... if it can generate potential idea
12:51:39 <xiaoqian> ... of course we can take it into the CG
12:51:59 <xiaoqian> canfeng: now that we have two FPWDs
12:52:21 <xiaoqian> ... I still dont know how mature the work is
12:52:33 <xiaoqian> ... when can the developers use these standards
12:52:42 <xiaoqian> zitao: still early work
12:53:03 <xiaoqian> ... we can start with those already released standards
12:53:19 <xiaoqian> ... to make it cross-platform
12:54:16 <xiaoqian> ... to help developers work on standardised MiniApps ASAP
12:54:50 <xiaoqian> qing: Manifest.json is just a starting point, but not enough to develop a MiniApp, right?
12:54:58 <xiaoqian> zitao: yes, just a demo
12:55:50 <xiaoqian> ... we can complete the tool as the specs get more mature
12:56:10 <xiaoqian> qing: would like to include lifecycle
12:56:24 <xiaoqian> ... but the .json files are not enough
12:56:31 <xiaoqian> zitao: indeed
12:56:42 <xiaoqian> ... that's why I'm calling for volunteers
12:57:05 <xiaoqian> qing: good idea, I support it
12:58:03 <xiaoqian> martin: good for developers and venders
12:58:52 <xiaoqian> yongjing: I'd suggest people interested in this proposal have more offline discussion
12:59:08 <xiaoqian> ... to make a timeline, how much we can do before TPAC
13:00:41 <xiaoqian> topic: next meeting
13:00:49 <xiaoqian> qing: how about 16 Sep?
13:01:14 <xiaoqian> tomayac & xfq: LGTM
13:01:24 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
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