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13:46:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:46:48 <trackbot> Date: 19 August 2021
13:47:49 <agendabot> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Aug/0009.html
13:47:49 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:47:49 <agendabot> agenda+ Agenda Review
13:47:49 <agendabot> agenda+ Action Items
13:47:51 <agendabot> agenda+ Info Share
13:47:53 <agendabot> agenda+ RADAR Review
13:47:55 <agendabot> agenda+ Remove links to Encoding tests in i18n test suite
13:47:58 <agendabot> agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
13:48:00 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB?
13:48:32 <addison>  agenda+  IPv6 Zone identifiers, i18n, and URIs
13:48:45 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:48:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-minutes.html addison
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13:58:50 <addison> present+ Felix, JcK, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Addison
14:01:58 <addison> agenda?
14:02:50 <xfq> scribe+ xfq
14:03:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:03:19 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:03:26 <addison> agenda?
14:03:41 <xfq> addison: anything else to add to the agenda?
14:03:54 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:04:04 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:04:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-minutes.html xfq
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14:05:34 <Bert_> RRSAgent, pointer?
14:05:34 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-irc#T14-05-34
14:05:37 <addison> action-1050?
14:05:37 <trackbot> action-1050 -- Addison Phillips to Merge string-meta changes pending richard's review of the glossary changes -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
14:05:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1050
14:05:45 <addison> close action-1050
14:05:45 <trackbot> Closed action-1050.
14:06:35 <addison> action-1055?
14:06:35 <trackbot> action-1055 -- Addison Phillips to Publish localizable-manifests as fpwd with help from richard -- due 2021-08-05 -- OPEN
14:06:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1055
14:06:39 <xfq> addison: "Publish localizable-manifests as fpwd with help from richard" is not quite done but I think we're in good shape, mostly thanks to Richard
14:06:50 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:06:50 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:07:39 <atsushi> https://github.com/CITPCSHARE/UAX50/wiki/Request-to-revise-UAX-50-for-the-harmonization-with-Adobe-Japan1
14:07:44 <xfq> atsushi: discrepancy between @@ and Adobe-Japan1
14:08:19 <xfq> s/@@/UAX 50/
14:08:24 <xfq> ... 4 code points
14:08:55 <xfq> ... any comment is welcome
14:09:56 <xfq> ... the discussions were in Japanese, but the conclusion in this document is in English
14:10:05 <xfq> addison: is this somewhat final?
14:10:31 <xfq> atsushi:
14:10:31 <xfq> Japanese Character Information Technology Promotion Council
14:10:40 <atsushi> https://moji.or.jp/
14:10:42 <xfq> atsushi: CITPC
14:11:12 <xfq> ... will send it to the UTC
14:12:03 <xfq> r12a: it would be good at least to say somewhere in this proposal that it is developed by the jlreq TF in W3C
14:12:47 <xfq> addison: the power of standards is that you can get support from a wider community
14:14:12 <xfq> atsushi: let me propose to the TF chair, Kida-san
14:16:01 <xfq> atsushi: Tatsuo Kobayashi is managing CITPC
14:16:58 <xfq> r12a: not everyone in CITPC is a participant of i18n WG/IG
14:17:12 <xfq> ... will it be sent to the Unicode Consortium?
14:17:15 <xfq> atsushi: yes
14:17:37 <addison> action: atsushi: follow up on CITPC/JLTF request to UTC about 4 characters and bring doc for review by WG when ready
14:17:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1060 - Follow up on citpc/jltf request to utc about 4 characters and bring doc for review by wg when ready [on Atsushi Shimono - due 2021-08-26].
14:19:30 <xfq> r12a: I'm now not only on the Unicode Editorial Committee, but also on the Script Ad Hoc Group
14:21:16 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:21:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:21:38 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
14:23:12 <addison> agenda?
14:23:13 <xfq> xfq: no comment on CSS Masking Module Level 1
14:23:26 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:23:27 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Remove links to Encoding tests in i18n test suite -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:23:40 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/i18n-tests/#encoding-spec
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14:25:03 <xfq_> r12a: somebody raised an issue recently
14:25:36 <xfq_> ... the tests in wpt and i18n-tests are not consistent
14:26:01 <xfq_> ... keeping them in sync takes hours and hours
14:26:44 <xfq_> addison: they're mostly tests for truly dead legacy encodings
14:27:32 <xfq_> ... I have no objections since WHATWG is maintaining the Encoding Standard
14:27:41 <addison> action: richard: remove encoding tests and put a link to wpt tests
14:27:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1061 - Remove encoding tests and put a link to wpt tests [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-26].
14:28:19 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
14:28:19 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- IPv6 Zone identifiers, i18n, and URIs -- taken up [from addison]
14:29:32 <xfq_> JcK: ipv6 tries to eliminate @@ mapping
14:29:45 <addison> s/@@/NAT/
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14:32:31 <xfq> JcK: they have been trying to look at what WHATWG is doing
14:34:13 <xfq> ... URI and IRI as @@ understands them, and URL as WHATWG understands them
14:34:54 <xfq> addison: if they're going to allow non-ascii address they have to address all the considerations in IDNA addresses
14:35:26 <xfq> JcK: yes
14:36:35 <xfq> addison: what WHATWG is doing is trying to describe what the browsers do
14:36:36 <xfq> ... I suppose browsers support this
14:38:08 <xfq> addison: i guess as a WG we just kind of wait for them to respond
14:38:15 <xfq> ... i can't think of any other actions
14:38:51 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:38:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:39:18 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Aintersection-observer
14:40:56 <addison> keep spec open
14:40:57 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue++label%3As%3Acss-text-decor
14:42:28 <xfq> addison: do we need someone to look at them more closely?
14:44:02 <addison> action: richard: review open css-text-decor issues for close or escalation
14:44:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1062 - Review open css-text-decor issues for close or escalation [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-26].
14:44:05 <xfq> r12a: i'll do it
14:44:17 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue++label%3As%3Acss-align
14:45:26 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue++label%3As%3Avocab-dcat+is%3Aopen
14:45:49 <xfq> addison: vocab-dcat
14:45:54 <xfq> ... two open issues
14:46:02 <xfq> r12a: back to css-align
14:46:35 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/473
14:46:38 <xfq> addison: it's closed
14:48:34 <xfq> fsasaki: I can take a look at vocab-dcat
14:49:15 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/709
14:49:29 <xfq> addison: we requested some health warning on references to ISO-639 vs. BCP47
14:50:18 <addison> action: addison: respond to vocab-dcat issues pinging for updates
14:50:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1063 - Respond to vocab-dcat issues pinging for updates [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-26].
14:50:36 <addison> action: felix: propose health warning text on vocab-dcat and language
14:50:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1064 - Propose health warning text on vocab-dcat and language [on Felix Sasaki - due 2021-08-26].
14:50:41 <xfq> ... they said they would create a draft PR but there doesn't seem to be one
14:51:03 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Alow-vision-needs
14:51:18 <xfq> s/a draft PR/a draft PR in Oct 2019/
14:51:33 <xfq> addison: low-vision-needs
14:51:38 <xfq> ... reviewed in 2017
14:53:58 <xfq> addison: should i ping the WG to see if they intend to progress this further?
14:54:02 <addison> action: addison: ping a11y to see if they intend to progress low-vision-needs
14:54:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1065 - Ping a11y to see if they intend to progress low-vision-needs [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-26].
14:54:17 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Alow-vision-needs
14:55:39 <xfq> JcK: low vision @@ font families
14:55:40 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3As%3Ajson-ld
14:56:03 <xfq> addison: JSON-LD
14:56:13 <xfq> ...  we spent a lot of effort
14:56:23 <xfq> ... they did a bunch of worker us
14:56:31 <xfq> s/worker/work for/
14:56:56 <xfq> ... should we close this and call that review completed?
14:57:01 <fsasaki> +1
14:57:06 <atsushi> +1
14:57:28 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Apronunciation-gap-analysis+is%3Aopen
14:57:32 <xfq> r12a: shall I close them?
14:57:35 <xfq> addison: yes, please
14:57:55 <xfq> addison: this one's gonna be fun
14:58:02 <xfq> ... published as a working group note
14:58:29 <xfq> ... though these four issues have not been addressed
14:58:45 <xfq> r12a: is the note the end target?
14:58:56 <xfq> addison: it's called Pronunciation Gap Analysis
14:59:08 <xfq> ... so I guess it's the end status
15:00:17 <xfq> r12a: whether we need to put these comments to the WD
15:00:24 <xfq> s/put/port/
15:01:12 <xfq> addison: i don't think we have reviewed that doc
15:02:22 <addison> action: richard: move pronunciation-gap-analysis issues to new document
15:02:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1066 - Move pronunciation-gap-analysis issues to new document [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-26].
15:03:33 <addison> Topic: AOB?
15:03:39 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:03:58 <xfq> r12a: set a time for TPAC meeting
15:04:44 <xfq> addison: i'll add an agenda item next week to discuss that
15:04:59 <xfq> r12a: probably be several meetings
15:05:48 <xfq> [adjourned]
15:05:54 <xfq> rrsagent, make minutes
15:05:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-minutes.html xfq
15:13:47 <addison> zakim, who is here?
15:13:47 <Zakim> Present: Felix, JcK, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Addison
15:13:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bert_, fsasaki, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, atsushi, r12a, florian, hadleybeeman, koji, sangwhan, astearns, hsivonen, bigbluehat, Mek, agendabot, trackbot, cwilso, Bert
15:13:51 <addison> present+ Bert
15:13:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:14:05 <addison> zakim, bye
15:14:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Felix, JcK, Atsushi, Fuqiao, Addison, Bert
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16:19:24 <r12a> present+
16:19:30 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:19:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-i18n-minutes.html r12a