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17:02:13 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
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17:04:18 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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17:04:29 <Jory> scribe Jory
17:04:41 <jamesn> agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-issues-aug19)
17:04:41 <jamesn> agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-pr-aug19)
17:04:41 <jamesn> agenda+ [Meaty Topic Meeting Reminders](https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/aria/calendar)
17:04:41 <jamesn> agenda+ [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates)
17:04:42 <jamesn> agenda+ [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598)
17:04:42 <jamesn> agenda+ Validator Tests: [open issues](https://bit.ly/aira-validator-test-issues) and [status](https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/validator-tests#test-files-and-results)
17:04:42 <jamesn> agenda+ [Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1494)
17:04:44 <Jory> scribe: Jory
17:04:54 <jamesn> present+
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17:05:48 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:05:48 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-issues-aug19) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:06:08 <Matt_King> present+
17:06:52 <joanie> audio fail
17:07:02 <Jory> James: for issue 1 we need to pull aria-dsecription out of CR for 1.2... agreed?
17:07:41 <Jory> issue: 1598 nater in agenda
17:07:41 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1056 - 1598 nater in agenda.  Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1056/edit>.
17:10:33 <Jory>  reflecting element references should be a 1.3 milestone, assigned to CYNS
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17:11:57 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:11:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-pr-aug19) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:13:01 <Jory> PR 140 in AccName, needs Brain and Matt will review together
17:13:11 <Jory> PR 1595 James will review
17:13:17 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:13:17 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Meaty Topic Meeting Reminders](https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/aria/calendar) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:13:57 <Jory> Layout Grids is Meaty next week, then alertdialog the following week
17:14:07 <Jory> zakim, close item
17:14:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Jory
17:14:46 <Jory> zakim, close this item
17:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
17:14:47 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:14:47 <Zakim> 4. [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) [from jamesn]
17:14:51 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:14:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:15:36 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:15:36 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Jory
17:15:43 <Jory> zakim, close this item
17:15:43 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
17:15:44 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:15:44 <Zakim> 5. [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) [from jamesn]
17:15:46 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:15:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:17:48 <Jory> joanie: if we can put the spec BACK TO nullable DOMstring we have 3 implementations, if not we are back to 0
17:18:08 <Jory> joanie: whould we pull the 1.2 CR, fix it, then put it back up?
17:18:18 <Jory> james: why was it changed in the first place?
17:19:18 <Jory> cyns: here was feedback that in #1058
17:20:17 <Jory> correction: there was feedback in 1058 that prompted the change. AOM working group noted that there have been IDL changes that need to taken into account
17:20:54 <Jory> james: let's make sure we understand the reason for the change before we revert it
17:21:18 <Jory> cyns: let's get feedback from jamesc
17:21:36 <Jory> james: let's do a draft PR for this change
17:21:51 <Jory> cyns: will do a PR for next week
17:23:13 <Jory> joanie: we also need to change the narrative and normative text explaining the validation and handling of an absent value
17:25:24 <Jory> joanie: there may be role-by-role differences for what the default value should be
17:27:33 <Jory> jamesn: please set implementers as reviewers of the draft PR
17:27:40 <Jory> cyns: do we have tests for this yet?
17:28:07 <Jory> joanie and syn will try to find those tests
17:28:23 <Jory> correction: syn = cyns
17:29:41 <Jory> jamesn: will need a CFC if we want to enter a new CR
17:29:51 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:29:51 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Validator Tests: [open issues](https://bit.ly/aira-validator-test-issues) and [status](https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/validator-tests#test-files-and-results) --
17:29:54 <Zakim> ... taken up [from jamesn]
17:31:33 <Jory> valerie: I think all the tests are written but there may be open PRs to be review
17:31:44 <Jory> jamesn: happy to help with reviews
17:33:04 <Jory> joanie: a good next step would be to test the new w3c validator
17:33:21 <Jory> jamesn: IBM has one too (that may be OSS)
17:36:08 <Jory> jamesn:does anyone know of another agent we can file issues against? It would be good to have a second one. W3 validator?
17:36:27 <Jory> valerie: not sure if that one does aria 1.2 validation
17:38:08 <Jory> jamesn: not every Author MUST statement is going to be machine checkable, but we should do the best we can.
17:38:24 <Jory> jamesn: maybe the W3C one is not the best candidate
17:39:38 <pkra> https://github.com/validator/validator/issues/
17:40:33 <Jory> jamesn: (looking at the repo) they do have some ARIA validation in here
17:40:56 <Jory> validator repo:  https://github.com/validator/validator/issues/
17:41:17 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:41:17 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1494) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:42:15 <Jory> jamesn: this PR needs some improvement, anyone want to take this?
17:43:56 <Jory> zakim, next item
17:43:56 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Jory
17:44:57 <Jory> RRSagent, make minutes
17:44:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-aria-minutes.html Jory
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