IRC log of aria on 2021-08-19
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-aria-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
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- present+
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+
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- scribe Jory
- 17:04:41 [jamesn]
- agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-issues-aug19)
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- agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-pr-aug19)
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- agenda+ [Meaty Topic Meeting Reminders](https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/aria/calendar)
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- agenda+ [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates)
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- agenda+ [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598)
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- agenda+ Validator Tests: [open issues](https://bit.ly/aira-validator-test-issues) and [status](https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/validator-tests#test-files-and-results)
- 17:04:42 [jamesn]
- agenda+ [Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1494)
- 17:04:44 [Jory]
- scribe: Jory
- 17:04:54 [jamesn]
- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-issues-aug19) -- taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:06:08 [Matt_King]
- present+
- 17:06:52 [joanie]
- audio fail
- 17:07:02 [Jory]
- James: for issue 1 we need to pull aria-dsecription out of CR for 1.2... agreed?
- 17:07:41 [Jory]
- issue: 1598 nater in agenda
- 17:07:41 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-1056 - 1598 nater in agenda. Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1056/edit>.
- 17:10:33 [Jory]
- reflecting element references should be a 1.3 milestone, assigned to CYNS
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/aria-pr-aug19) -- taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:13:01 [Jory]
- PR 140 in AccName, needs Brain and Matt will review together
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- PR 1595 James will review
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- [Meaty Topic Meeting Reminders](https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/aria/calendar) -- taken up [from jamesn]
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- Layout Grids is Meaty next week, then alertdialog the following week
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- zakim, close item
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- I don't understand 'close item', Jory
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) [from jamesn]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- [Meaty topics for future weeks](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) -- taken up [from jamesn]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 was just opened, Jory
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) [from jamesn]
- 17:15:46 [Jory]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- [Updating ARIA 1.2 due to IDL implementations (exit and re-enter CR?)](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1598) -- taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:17:48 [Jory]
- joanie: if we can put the spec BACK TO nullable DOMstring we have 3 implementations, if not we are back to 0
- 17:18:08 [Jory]
- joanie: whould we pull the 1.2 CR, fix it, then put it back up?
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- james: why was it changed in the first place?
- 17:19:18 [Jory]
- cyns: here was feedback that in #1058
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- correction: there was feedback in 1058 that prompted the change. AOM working group noted that there have been IDL changes that need to taken into account
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- james: let's make sure we understand the reason for the change before we revert it
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- cyns: let's get feedback from jamesc
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- james: let's do a draft PR for this change
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- cyns: will do a PR for next week
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- joanie: we also need to change the narrative and normative text explaining the validation and handling of an absent value
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- joanie: there may be role-by-role differences for what the default value should be
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- jamesn: please set implementers as reviewers of the draft PR
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- cyns: do we have tests for this yet?
- 17:28:07 [Jory]
- joanie and syn will try to find those tests
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- correction: syn = cyns
- 17:29:41 [Jory]
- jamesn: will need a CFC if we want to enter a new CR
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- Validator Tests: [open issues](https://bit.ly/aira-validator-test-issues) and [status](https://github.com/w3c/aria/tree/main/validator-tests#test-files-and-results) --
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- ... taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:31:33 [Jory]
- valerie: I think all the tests are written but there may be open PRs to be review
- 17:31:44 [Jory]
- jamesn: happy to help with reviews
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- joanie: a good next step would be to test the new w3c validator
- 17:33:21 [Jory]
- jamesn: IBM has one too (that may be OSS)
- 17:36:08 [Jory]
- jamesn:does anyone know of another agent we can file issues against? It would be good to have a second one. W3 validator?
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- valerie: not sure if that one does aria 1.2 validation
- 17:38:08 [Jory]
- jamesn: not every Author MUST statement is going to be machine checkable, but we should do the best we can.
- 17:38:24 [Jory]
- jamesn: maybe the W3C one is not the best candidate
- 17:39:38 [pkra]
- https://github.com/validator/validator/issues/
- 17:40:33 [Jory]
- jamesn: (looking at the repo) they do have some ARIA validation in here
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- validator repo: https://github.com/validator/validator/issues/
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- [Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1494) -- taken up [from jamesn]
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- jamesn: this PR needs some improvement, anyone want to take this?
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- I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Jory
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-aria-minutes.html Jory
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