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12:49:14 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:49:14 <trackbot> Date: 11 August 2021
12:49:20 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:49:26 <jasonjgw> present+
12:50:26 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: outcome of the Call for Consensus.
12:50:26 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings: plans for further development.
12:50:26 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization accessibility User Requirements.
12:50:26 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
12:50:26 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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13:02:48 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
13:03:35 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:03:35 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: outcome of the Call for Consensus. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:04:10 <SteveNoble> present+
13:04:35 <Joshue108> JW: The APA working group following a successful CFC, achieved consensus to publish
13:05:04 <Joshue108> All is proceeding, thanks to all who contributed
13:05:07 <Joshue108> Comments?
13:05:12 <Judy> present+
13:05:27 <Joshue108> JS: No corrections, but a tiny update to let you know that our charter is granted
13:05:36 <Joshue108> For two years - running to the end of July 2023
13:05:48 <Joshue108> We will publish under that.
13:06:02 <Joshue108> Invited Experts and company reps will have to rejoin.
13:06:03 <Judy> q+
13:06:07 <Joshue108> I've sent email.
13:06:23 <Joshue108> JW: echos Janina
13:06:37 <Joshue108> JS: 45 days grace period
13:07:23 <Joshue108> JB: There are guests such as Raja and Frances who can sign up as IEs.
13:07:45 <Joshue108> That would be easier for us, and you will be participating more directly.
13:07:53 <Joshue108> q+
13:07:56 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:08:16 <Joshue108> If you have questions let us know.
13:08:18 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
13:08:32 <Joshue108> JS: Link to Invited expert form.
13:08:59 <Joshue108> JW: We look forward to your thoughtful contributions.
13:09:34 <jasonjgw> Josh: he is working on preparing a publication-ready version of XR Accessibility User Requirements.
13:09:51 <Joshue108> JOC: Hoping to have it early next week
13:09:55 <Joshue108> JW: good to know
13:10:12 <Joshue108> Any other questions or comments?
13:10:35 <Joshue108> <discussion on IE invites>
13:12:33 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/participation
13:12:43 <Joshue108> ack me
13:13:11 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:13:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings: plans for further development. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:13:21 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/ieapp/new
13:13:38 <Joshue108> JW: There has been some progress following a previous discussion.
13:13:59 <Joshue108> The doc was copied from the TF wiki and transfered to the APA GitHub repo.
13:14:06 <Joshue108> It is now available as a draft.
13:14:21 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/remote-meetings/
13:14:40 <Joshue108> JW: Most modification are editorial.
13:14:56 <Joshue108> We still have decisions regarding status and circulation.
13:15:18 <Joshue108> There was suggestion it could become a W3C resource or a note track deliverable for APA.
13:15:39 <Joshue108> Moving it to repo and converting it doesnt prejudice it
13:15:50 <Joshue108> Appreciate Scotts review of the draft.
13:15:52 <Joshue108> Comments?
13:16:21 <Joshue108> SH: Huge thanks to Jason on getting this onto Github etc
13:16:36 <Joshue108> To frame where this is going, I'd like to ask the group if there is more they would like to add?
13:16:55 <Joshue108> Would people like a chance to review?
13:17:15 <Joshue108> +1 to Scott
13:17:30 <Joshue108> JW: I'd like to do that
13:17:51 <Joshue108> s/+1 to Scott /JOC: +1 to Scott
13:18:03 <Joshue108> Thanks to Judy for guidance and evolution
13:18:15 <Joshue108> We should review and bring it back for discussion for wider review etc
13:18:26 <Joshue108> Whatever the ultimate process is to be.
13:18:35 <Joshue108> There is a desire for more formal review
13:18:55 <Joshue108> The public working draft procedure will be helpful for review.
13:19:12 <Judy> q+
13:19:22 <Joshue108> ack Judy
13:19:39 <Joshue108> JB: Thanks for having put this into the Note format.
13:19:41 <Joshue108> Like it!
13:19:55 <janina> q+
13:20:25 <Joshue108> I've some questions - one of our goals was around getting feedback in a more structured way - it does need that.
13:20:54 <Joshue108> Not just content related - but there are also concerns around having a note on this issue as it laps over other areas of our work.
13:21:27 <Joshue108> Michael C made that comment, and Shawn also was looking at how this fits into Education and Outreach guidance.
13:21:37 <Joshue108> WAI CC is a good place to discuss this.
13:22:03 <Joshue108> Janina and I can raise this in an upcoming WAI CC meeting.
13:22:12 <Joshue108> I'll ask staff to look at this also.
13:22:33 <Joshue108> Ideally we can get this more visible and benefit from Note track status.
13:22:44 <Joshue108> JW: Do you want to update the status section to clarify?
13:23:14 <Joshue108> JB: Good point - we should just ask for feedback at this point.
13:23:20 <Joshue108> Will flag it to Shawn.
13:23:38 <Joshue108> And Michael
13:23:47 <Joshue108> q?
13:24:35 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to co-ordinate with Shawn and Michael on review of the A11y of remote meeting document
13:24:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2304 - Co-ordinate with shawn and michael on review of the a11y of remote meeting document [on Joshue O'Connor - due 2021-08-18].
13:25:34 <Joshue108> JW: How long do you want to review it for?
13:26:20 <Joshue108> Before public review.
13:26:29 <Joshue108> SH: I'm happy to progress this in a week.
13:27:09 <Raja> q+
13:27:15 <Joshue108> JOC: Shawn is off for the rest of this week
13:27:59 <Joshue108> JS: I'd like to say this could be a TPAC breakout session.
13:28:10 <Joshue108> I've provisionally proposed this.
13:28:18 <Joshue108> This would be a perfect topic.
13:28:50 <Joshue108> JB:  There have been several proposed topics.
13:29:12 <Joshue108> We may have several - it would be good to do a session on this, as well as others.
13:29:39 <Joshue108> Would like to flag it to other WG chairs.
13:29:53 <Joshue108> JS: If we have known obvious things we should do..
13:30:03 <Joshue108> JB: Time is an issue.
13:30:32 <Joshue108> q?
13:30:44 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:30:49 <janina> ack
13:32:09 <Joshue108> ack raja
13:32:48 <Joshue108> RK: For the IRC, I learned it a bit and getting used to it now..
13:33:11 <Joshue108> The comment about document work.. who is the intended audience for the A11y of Remote meetings?
13:33:23 <Joshue108> RK: We have recommended processes for a11y and meetings etc
13:33:55 <Judy> q+
13:33:59 <janina> zq+
13:34:13 <Joshue108> To be inclusive, just to clarify, for those two things, it would be nice to have diagrams or flow charts, IF=>This, Else=> That..
13:34:27 <Joshue108> Relating to interpretation and captioning etc
13:34:39 <Joshue108> It is more work.
13:34:40 <Joshue108> q?
13:34:42 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:35:00 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/
13:35:03 <Joshue108> JB: Thanks Raja for comment
13:35:26 <Joshue108> This is a link on previous guidance WAI did on media a11y.
13:35:42 <Joshue108> This should provide some context. We tried this before and found it difficult.
13:35:57 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/planning/
13:36:20 <Joshue108> JB: We tried this here
13:36:45 <Joshue108> I appreciate that this is a multi audience document, that would be helpful with flowcharts but it is complicated.
13:36:51 <Joshue108> RK: Yes it is complex
13:37:06 <Joshue108> JB: Scott as lead editor do you want to take look at these pages?
13:37:18 <Joshue108> SH: Sounds fine.
13:37:48 <Joshue108> Regarding the audiences - the note as it stands covers a variety, from procurement for software development for remote meetings and content prep.
13:38:07 <Joshue108> Happy to look at that and see what is possible
13:38:09 <Joshue108> ack jan
13:38:19 <Joshue108> JS: Thanks for raising this.
13:38:45 <Joshue108> Was thinking of the same for our upcoming Media Synchronisation Accessibility User Requirements
13:39:08 <Joshue108> JS: Even as blind people we do understand the benefit of other formats for other groups.
13:39:27 <Judy> q+
13:39:27 <Joshue108> Hopefully the GitHub process makes this easier.
13:39:52 <Joshue108> JB: +1 to Janina
13:40:11 <Joshue108> I suggest using a similar format - to the EO suggestion
13:40:32 <Joshue108> Education and Outreach did a lot of this background work already
13:40:51 <Joshue108> From the planning page there.
13:41:04 <Joshue108> <Discusses a11y issues with GitHub>
13:41:14 <Raja> Github works well from my end (DHH)
13:41:33 <Joshue108> JW: Yes, flow charts are a good idea
13:43:05 <Joshue108> JW: We can also open issues on GitHub
13:43:12 <Joshue108> JS: We may also need video
13:43:56 <Joshue108> JW: Lets bring it back in two weeks
13:44:01 <Joshue108> Comments?
13:44:05 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:44:05 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
13:44:09 <Joshue108> q?
13:44:11 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:44:12 <Judy> ack j
13:44:15 <Joshue108> zakim, next item
13:44:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Synchronization accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:44:46 <Joshue108> JW: The media sync document has an update since last meeting.
13:45:22 <Joshue108> We agreed that there should be an editors note, leaving reviewers a chance to comment on XR and immersive etc.
13:45:33 <Joshue108> We want to open that for public comment - I've added that.
13:45:45 <Joshue108> The text is relatively stable.
13:45:54 <Joshue108> We should move it soon towards a FPWD.
13:46:08 <Joshue108> Janina has some editorial improvements to suggest
13:46:28 <Joshue108> JW: Comments, Janina and others?
13:46:37 <Joshue108> JS: I think it is quite ready.
13:47:00 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/
13:47:09 <Joshue108> JS: We should try to do this for early sept
13:47:27 <Joshue108> Graphics etc and improvements to the text are welcome.
13:48:16 <Joshue108> JS: We need to get citations etc credited
13:48:20 <Joshue108> Chunk of work
13:48:56 <Joshue108> We can get this ready for FPWD in the next few weeks
13:49:00 <Joshue108> JW: Reactions?
13:49:02 <Joshue108> q?
13:49:20 <Joshue108> SN: Thanks for updating the draft and getting the editors note there.
13:50:01 <Joshue108> We are asking for peoples input on XR - I did most of the writing, so am bringing my stengths and weaknesses
13:50:09 <Joshue108> wider review will be helpful
13:50:18 <Joshue108> I've kept it point of view agnostic
13:50:48 <Joshue108> SN: What you find in research is limited by what you have read.
13:51:21 <Joshue108> SN: My background is with the blind and dyslexic community so getting input from the Deaf and Hard of Hearing community would be great.
13:51:33 <Joshue108> JS: Also WGBH guidance we should look at.
13:51:37 <Joshue108> q?
13:51:39 <Raja> I'd be happy to help and put in more citations and related work
13:52:02 <Joshue108> JB: Just to add our contact is Geoff Freed - v helpful
13:52:13 <Joshue108> JS: May have moved on.
13:52:16 <Raja> That's a good thing to remind ourselves about related work in academic papers.
13:52:40 <Joshue108> JB: Other contacts there?
13:52:42 <Raja> To clarify -- I can do that for deaf and hard of hearing perspectives
13:52:45 <Joshue108> JS: Madeline?
13:53:04 <Joshue108> JW: I've collaborated with Madeline in the past, will inquire.
13:53:25 <Joshue108> s/inquire/enquire
13:53:36 <Raja> Can you state whole name? it would be helpful in lookups
13:53:41 <Joshue108> JW: Getting input is important
13:54:16 <Joshue108> Madeline Rothberg
13:54:34 <Raja> +1
13:55:18 <Joshue108> JOC: Our friends in  Immersive Captions and others doing work in 360 should be helpful
13:55:47 <Joshue108> JW: No one disagrees that it is close to publication - if so let us know.
13:55:53 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:56:02 <Joshue108> q?
13:56:02 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:56:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:56:41 <Joshue108> JW: Not much to be said at the moment - the doc is in a holding pattern at the moment, and we will be giving it more attention soon.
13:56:54 <Joshue108> Getting it ready for FPWD - covers a range of requirements.
13:57:10 <Joshue108> Still some open issues on GitHub please do comment.
13:57:18 <Joshue108> Comments?
13:57:56 <Joshue108> http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur/naur/index.html
13:58:08 <Joshue108> Please do have a look and we will come back to it in two weeks
13:58:34 <Joshue108> JW: We hope to get this published in the next month or so.
13:58:45 <Joshue108> JS: Can I point e'one to the APA TPAC page.
13:58:46 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:59:13 <Joshue108> JS:  This is where things stand - There is room to move things around
13:59:21 <Joshue108> We can discuss on next call.
13:59:52 <Joshue108> JW: Priorities, Media Sync, TPAC meetings and co-ordination to discuss next week
14:00:01 <Joshue108> With remote meetings the week after.
14:00:12 <Joshue108> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:00:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/11-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
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