IRC log of rqtf on 2021-08-11

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 August 2021
12:49:20 [jasonjgw]
chair: jasonjgw
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present+
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agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: outcome of the Call for Consensus.
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agenda+ Accessibility of Remote Meetings: plans for further development.
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agenda+ Synchronization accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements.
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agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
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present+
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scribe: Joshue108
13:03:35 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: outcome of the Call for Consensus. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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present+
13:04:35 [Joshue108]
JW: The APA working group following a successful CFC, achieved consensus to publish
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All is proceeding, thanks to all who contributed
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Comments?
13:05:12 [Judy]
present+
13:05:27 [Joshue108]
JS: No corrections, but a tiny update to let you know that our charter is granted
13:05:36 [Joshue108]
For two years - running to the end of July 2023
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We will publish under that.
13:06:02 [Joshue108]
Invited Experts and company reps will have to rejoin.
13:06:03 [Judy]
q+
13:06:07 [Joshue108]
I've sent email.
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JW: echos Janina
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JS: 45 days grace period
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JB: There are guests such as Raja and Frances who can sign up as IEs.
13:07:45 [Joshue108]
That would be easier for us, and you will be participating more directly.
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ack judy
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If you have questions let us know.
13:08:18 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/ieapp/
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JS: Link to Invited expert form.
13:08:59 [Joshue108]
JW: We look forward to your thoughtful contributions.
13:09:34 [jasonjgw]
Josh: he is working on preparing a publication-ready version of XR Accessibility User Requirements.
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JOC: Hoping to have it early next week
13:09:55 [Joshue108]
JW: good to know
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Any other questions or comments?
13:10:35 [Joshue108]
<discussion on IE invites>
13:12:33 [Judy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/participation
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ack me
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Accessibility of Remote Meetings: plans for further development. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:13:21 [Judy]
https://www.w3.org/ieapp/new
13:13:38 [Joshue108]
JW: There has been some progress following a previous discussion.
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The doc was copied from the TF wiki and transfered to the APA GitHub repo.
13:14:06 [Joshue108]
It is now available as a draft.
13:14:21 [Joshue108]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/remote-meetings/
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JW: Most modification are editorial.
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We still have decisions regarding status and circulation.
13:15:18 [Joshue108]
There was suggestion it could become a W3C resource or a note track deliverable for APA.
13:15:39 [Joshue108]
Moving it to repo and converting it doesnt prejudice it
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Appreciate Scotts review of the draft.
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Comments?
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SH: Huge thanks to Jason on getting this onto Github etc
13:16:36 [Joshue108]
To frame where this is going, I'd like to ask the group if there is more they would like to add?
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Would people like a chance to review?
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+1 to Scott
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JW: I'd like to do that
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s/+1 to Scott /JOC: +1 to Scott
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Thanks to Judy for guidance and evolution
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We should review and bring it back for discussion for wider review etc
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Whatever the ultimate process is to be.
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There is a desire for more formal review
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The public working draft procedure will be helpful for review.
13:19:12 [Judy]
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JB: Thanks for having put this into the Note format.
13:19:41 [Joshue108]
Like it!
13:19:55 [janina]
q+
13:20:25 [Joshue108]
I've some questions - one of our goals was around getting feedback in a more structured way - it does need that.
13:20:54 [Joshue108]
Not just content related - but there are also concerns around having a note on this issue as it laps over other areas of our work.
13:21:27 [Joshue108]
Michael C made that comment, and Shawn also was looking at how this fits into Education and Outreach guidance.
13:21:37 [Joshue108]
WAI CC is a good place to discuss this.
13:22:03 [Joshue108]
Janina and I can raise this in an upcoming WAI CC meeting.
13:22:12 [Joshue108]
I'll ask staff to look at this also.
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Ideally we can get this more visible and benefit from Note track status.
13:22:44 [Joshue108]
JW: Do you want to update the status section to clarify?
13:23:14 [Joshue108]
JB: Good point - we should just ask for feedback at this point.
13:23:20 [Joshue108]
Will flag it to Shawn.
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And Michael
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q?
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ACTION: Josh to co-ordinate with Shawn and Michael on review of the A11y of remote meeting document
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Created ACTION-2304 - Co-ordinate with shawn and michael on review of the a11y of remote meeting document [on Joshue O'Connor - due 2021-08-18].
13:25:34 [Joshue108]
JW: How long do you want to review it for?
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Before public review.
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SH: I'm happy to progress this in a week.
13:27:09 [Raja]
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JOC: Shawn is off for the rest of this week
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JS: I'd like to say this could be a TPAC breakout session.
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I've provisionally proposed this.
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This would be a perfect topic.
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JB: There have been several proposed topics.
13:29:12 [Joshue108]
We may have several - it would be good to do a session on this, as well as others.
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Would like to flag it to other WG chairs.
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JS: If we have known obvious things we should do..
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JB: Time is an issue.
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q?
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ack jan
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ack
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ack raja
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RK: For the IRC, I learned it a bit and getting used to it now..
13:33:11 [Joshue108]
The comment about document work.. who is the intended audience for the A11y of Remote meetings?
13:33:23 [Joshue108]
RK: We have recommended processes for a11y and meetings etc
13:33:55 [Judy]
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13:33:59 [janina]
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13:34:13 [Joshue108]
To be inclusive, just to clarify, for those two things, it would be nice to have diagrams or flow charts, IF=>This, Else=> That..
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Relating to interpretation and captioning etc
13:34:39 [Joshue108]
It is more work.
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q?
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ack judy
13:35:00 [Judy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/
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JB: Thanks Raja for comment
13:35:26 [Joshue108]
This is a link on previous guidance WAI did on media a11y.
13:35:42 [Joshue108]
This should provide some context. We tried this before and found it difficult.
13:35:57 [Judy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/media/av/planning/
13:36:20 [Joshue108]
JB: We tried this here
13:36:45 [Joshue108]
I appreciate that this is a multi audience document, that would be helpful with flowcharts but it is complicated.
13:36:51 [Joshue108]
RK: Yes it is complex
13:37:06 [Joshue108]
JB: Scott as lead editor do you want to take look at these pages?
13:37:18 [Joshue108]
SH: Sounds fine.
13:37:48 [Joshue108]
Regarding the audiences - the note as it stands covers a variety, from procurement for software development for remote meetings and content prep.
13:38:07 [Joshue108]
Happy to look at that and see what is possible
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ack jan
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JS: Thanks for raising this.
13:38:45 [Joshue108]
Was thinking of the same for our upcoming Media Synchronisation Accessibility User Requirements
13:39:08 [Joshue108]
JS: Even as blind people we do understand the benefit of other formats for other groups.
13:39:27 [Judy]
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13:39:27 [Joshue108]
Hopefully the GitHub process makes this easier.
13:39:52 [Joshue108]
JB: +1 to Janina
13:40:11 [Joshue108]
I suggest using a similar format - to the EO suggestion
13:40:32 [Joshue108]
Education and Outreach did a lot of this background work already
13:40:51 [Joshue108]
From the planning page there.
13:41:04 [Joshue108]
<Discusses a11y issues with GitHub>
13:41:14 [Raja]
Github works well from my end (DHH)
13:41:33 [Joshue108]
JW: Yes, flow charts are a good idea
13:43:05 [Joshue108]
JW: We can also open issues on GitHub
13:43:12 [Joshue108]
JS: We may also need video
13:43:56 [Joshue108]
JW: Lets bring it back in two weeks
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Comments?
13:44:05 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
13:44:05 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
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q?
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ack j
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Synchronization accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:44:46 [Joshue108]
JW: The media sync document has an update since last meeting.
13:45:22 [Joshue108]
We agreed that there should be an editors note, leaving reviewers a chance to comment on XR and immersive etc.
13:45:33 [Joshue108]
We want to open that for public comment - I've added that.
13:45:45 [Joshue108]
The text is relatively stable.
13:45:54 [Joshue108]
We should move it soon towards a FPWD.
13:46:08 [Joshue108]
Janina has some editorial improvements to suggest
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JW: Comments, Janina and others?
13:46:37 [Joshue108]
JS: I think it is quite ready.
13:47:00 [Joshue108]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/
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JS: We should try to do this for early sept
13:47:27 [Joshue108]
Graphics etc and improvements to the text are welcome.
13:48:16 [Joshue108]
JS: We need to get citations etc credited
13:48:20 [Joshue108]
Chunk of work
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We can get this ready for FPWD in the next few weeks
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JW: Reactions?
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q?
13:49:20 [Joshue108]
SN: Thanks for updating the draft and getting the editors note there.
13:50:01 [Joshue108]
We are asking for peoples input on XR - I did most of the writing, so am bringing my stengths and weaknesses
13:50:09 [Joshue108]
wider review will be helpful
13:50:18 [Joshue108]
I've kept it point of view agnostic
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SN: What you find in research is limited by what you have read.
13:51:21 [Joshue108]
SN: My background is with the blind and dyslexic community so getting input from the Deaf and Hard of Hearing community would be great.
13:51:33 [Joshue108]
JS: Also WGBH guidance we should look at.
13:51:37 [Joshue108]
q?
13:51:39 [Raja]
I'd be happy to help and put in more citations and related work
13:52:02 [Joshue108]
JB: Just to add our contact is Geoff Freed - v helpful
13:52:13 [Joshue108]
JS: May have moved on.
13:52:16 [Raja]
That's a good thing to remind ourselves about related work in academic papers.
13:52:40 [Joshue108]
JB: Other contacts there?
13:52:42 [Raja]
To clarify -- I can do that for deaf and hard of hearing perspectives
13:52:45 [Joshue108]
JS: Madeline?
13:53:04 [Joshue108]
JW: I've collaborated with Madeline in the past, will inquire.
13:53:25 [Joshue108]
s/inquire/enquire
13:53:36 [Raja]
Can you state whole name? it would be helpful in lookups
13:53:41 [Joshue108]
JW: Getting input is important
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Madeline Rothberg
13:54:34 [Raja]
+1
13:55:18 [Joshue108]
JOC: Our friends in Immersive Captions and others doing work in 360 should be helpful
13:55:47 [Joshue108]
JW: No one disagrees that it is close to publication - if so let us know.
13:55:53 [Joshue108]
agenda?
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q?
13:56:02 [jasonjgw]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:56:41 [Joshue108]
JW: Not much to be said at the moment - the doc is in a holding pattern at the moment, and we will be giving it more attention soon.
13:56:54 [Joshue108]
Getting it ready for FPWD - covers a range of requirements.
13:57:10 [Joshue108]
Still some open issues on GitHub please do comment.
13:57:18 [Joshue108]
Comments?
13:57:56 [Joshue108]
http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur/naur/index.html
13:58:08 [Joshue108]
Please do have a look and we will come back to it in two weeks
13:58:34 [Joshue108]
JW: We hope to get this published in the next month or so.
13:58:45 [Joshue108]
JS: Can I point e'one to the APA TPAC page.
13:58:46 [janina]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:59:13 [Joshue108]
JS: This is where things stand - There is room to move things around
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We can discuss on next call.
13:59:52 [Joshue108]
JW: Priorities, Media Sync, TPAC meetings and co-ordination to discuss next week
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With remote meetings the week after.
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/11-rqtf-minutes.html Joshue108
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