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Other Business [from paul_grenier] 13:17:35 Meeting: Spoken Pronunciation Task Force Teleconference 13:17:35 Date: 11 August 2021 13:17:54 present+ 14:00:01 Irfan has joined #pronunciation 14:00:04 Alan_ has joined #pronunciation 14:00:34 present+ 14:01:55 janina has joined #pronunciation 14:01:55 present+ 14:01:58 present+ 14:02:05 zakim, who is here? 14:02:05 Present: Irfan, paul_grenier, JF, SteveNoble_, mhakkinen, Dee, Alan, janina, NeilS, Alan_, Roy, PaulG 14:02:07 On IRC I see janina, Alan_, Irfan, RRSAgent, MichaelC, PaulG, Roy, Zakim, trackbot 14:02:17 present+ 14:06:51 Chair: Paul 14:06:58 Scribe: Irfan Ali 14:07:04 zakim, next item 14:07:04 agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 14:07:23 PaulG: standard agenda and nothing major 14:07:42 JF has joined #pronunciation 14:07:46 janina: TPAC planning needs to be discussed 14:07:48 Present+ 14:09:14 Roy: will talk to officers to invite Sam as an invited expert or follow up with her company. 14:09:22 zakim, next item 14:09:22 agendum 2 -- New Publishing Timeline -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 14:09:49 james-gable-nwea has joined #pronunciation 14:12:37 PaulG: we need to have our publishing every after 90 days which will make it look like active work 14:13:01 PaulG: we have got more issues in our github. we can take the things that we have talked before and take it forward. 14:13:22 PaulG: it will be nice to prioritize the tickets 14:15:19 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/91 14:16:28 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/582 14:18:36 janina: based upon my discussion at Amazon, people have misunderstanding what are we proposing. They should know that this will be only applied where necessary. 14:19:09 Q+ 14:19:44 janina: I was surprise to know that people still do not under the scope of our task 14:21:05 JF: there is another use case, such as poxy server in middle. In Education domain most company have office of accommodation where they legally permit modifying documents to make it accessible. I can think of a case where they can copy the document locally to make it accessible. 14:24:05 PaulG: To Janina's comment, current documents is geared to showing off complexity of SSML. May be we can add some good examples to make users understand. We can include some other example with every day's common problem. 14:25:19 janina: I dont believe that TTS is going to solve all the pronunciation problem. But I believe that better TTS is going to handle some of the regular problems. As of now most of the TTS engines are not capable to handle all these easy problems. 14:25:54 janina: we could perhaps add the example of edu domain. 14:26:28 PaulG: if we can get authors to understand how it should be pronounce, may be AI will figure out about the rules 14:27:04 janina: our first target should be making our specs recommendations so that people can start using it 14:30:04 PaulG: for robustness, it does provide another mechanism where a device is not connected to server, we may be able to get some people for that. even a community lingo that doesn't come across well for tts engine, those examples might be very helpful. 14:30:19 PaulG: some of the commercial examples will be helpful 14:30:32 PaulG: i can add some examples for localization 14:30:45 NeilS has joined #pronunciation 14:30:58 present+ 14:32:06 action: Alan to create a paragraph for i18N 14:32:06 Created ACTION-33 - Create a paragraph for i18n [on Alan Reeve - due 2021-08-18]. 14:32:23 zakim, next item 14:32:23 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Irfan 14:32:34 q? 14:32:40 ack jf 14:32:44 zakim, next item 14:32:44 agendum 3 -- Incorporate Feedback -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 14:34:08 https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/issues/94 14:34:48 Alan_: the data-ssml-voice-languages attribute - How does this interact with the existing lang attribute? Could probably benefit from an example. 14:35:17 Alan_: data-ssml-say-as-detail - I am unclear as to how I would use this. I didn't find the link to the SSML spec to help much. 14:35:33 PaulG: may be we can address this and I can take a look on this 14:36:07 PaulG: I will create a response to it and if group agrees, it will be on deck for future change 14:36:17 zakim, next item 14:36:17 agendum 4 -- Other Business -- taken up [from paul_grenier] 14:37:47 janina: APA is re-chartered which was announced this morning. being a new charter means that everybody in APA needs to renew without exception. in Member organizations, AC rep can nominate. Invited experts need to follow the joiing process for renew the membership. 14:38:33 janina: I have sent an email with an attachment which has all additional information. There is a 45 days grace period 14:40:27 https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 14:42:16 janina: TPAC- in an overview of emerging specification, I am proposing it for breakout session, grouped with personalization. Other place I put it which is more futuristic, proposed meeting with ARIA and members of TAG and other members. 14:43:25 janina: how to bridge what browser wants to do vs AT needs, we get some good help. currently proposed in second week session. James Nurthern agrees that we should talk about it. Got some validation on this approach. we will take our problem there. 14:43:45 janina: if we do not get these people, we will look for another avenue to address this. 14:48:13 rrsagent, make minutes 14:48:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/11-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan 14:50:18 https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-tts-10/ 14:52:01 rrsagent, make minutes 14:52:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/11-pronunciation-minutes.html Irfan 15:21:43 JF has left #pronunciation 15:55:29 janina has left #pronunciation 16:02:25 PaulG has left #pronunciation 16:12:53 becky has joined #Pronunciation