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17:57:09 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
17:57:19 <Matt_King> CAIR: Jemma
17:57:26 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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17:59:47 <Matt_King> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/August-10%2C-2021-Agenda
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18:06:20 <Jemma> scribe: Rich_Noah
18:06:33 <Jemma> Topic: Setup and review agenda
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18:07:43 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: had meeting with Bocoup about Ops Manager role
18:08:02 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:08:03 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: I  propose next meeting Aug 24
18:08:24 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I support that
18:08:35 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: next meeting will be Aug 24
18:08:38 <Jemma> Topic:ARIA APG Redesign Project Update
18:09:11 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: Isaac shared email about APG Redesign feedbasck
18:09:12 <Jemma> http://wai-aria-practices.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
18:09:28 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: shared prototype link
18:09:31 <Jemma> What’s your overall impression of this new Information Architecture?
18:09:31 <Jemma> What do you like about the new Information Architecture and why?
18:09:31 <Jemma> Do you consider this redesign will improve the User Experience? Why or why not?
18:09:31 <Jemma> What would you like to see changed and why?
18:09:32 <Jemma> In what way does this redesign live up to your expectations?
18:09:32 <Jemma> In what way has this redesign not met your expectations?
18:09:32 <Jemma> Are there any other comments you have about the design?
18:10:10 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: did Alex code the prototype?
18:10:34 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: yes Alex put the prototype together
18:11:01 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: it is awesome having something to react.  I have some questions regarding the template.
18:11:30 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I have some questions on the template.  Where is label coming from?
18:12:07 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: alot of things are being added from the template and automatically needed.
18:12:23 <Rich_Noah> jongund: what about bypass blocks feature?
18:12:38 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: do we have to add that as part of the template?
18:13:05 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: about 90% sure it is not part of the template but will check with Alex.
18:13:47 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: if it is added then we can add it to provide an example to the E&O group.
18:16:07 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: last item on navigation, All WCAG 2 Guidance, takes you to another place and you can't get back.
18:16:47 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: that is part of the template and should be a lower priority.  Maybe in the footer.
18:18:24 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: I am sharing the prototype screen right now.
18:21:24 <Jemma> +q
18:21:41 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: I acknowledge there is work to be done on the content and copy.
18:22:29 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: on the homepage if we help visitors understand what is on apg and get them to the place that is most helpful to them.
18:22:55 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I imagine we are going to see more use of other parts of the APG
18:23:33 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: based on Matt and Jon's feedback I believe it will be good to focus on the homepage.  We do have the usability studies coming and want to wait for that data.
18:23:49 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: updating the homepage will be a good next step.
18:25:25 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I  think the descriptions should be plain text and a link after the description.
18:26:14 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: can we have a call to action button to get to the example instead of scrolling down?
18:26:46 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: layout is the same as the APG document
18:27:34 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: would that just be like a skip link
18:28:18 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: possible use of left hand navigation like examples page
18:28:45 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: I believe there is a component in the template that we are not using.
18:31:02 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: my second point is we know the patterns and widgets is a living document.  Do we want to add the status?  Such as testing process?
18:31:28 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: items will not go to the website until it is done so no need for status.
18:32:51 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I am thinking of breadcrumbs.  Once they open an example I am not sure how they get back.  I know there is a breadcrumb feature in the template.  I am not sure about how the hierarchy that is needed.
18:35:03 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: feel the relationship between the pattern and the example are the most relevant.
18:36:14 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: are there any other comments on the design?
18:37:14 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: there are lots of scrolling required.  Can we add a search box for Design Patterns and Widgets?
18:37:35 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: is the layout of fundamentals layout like cards?
18:37:51 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: we have not done that yet and agree that the page is long
18:38:36 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: if we open fundamentals like patterns
18:41:05 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: I know we are not doing content review i don't think the Examples navigation is clear in the main navigation.
18:41:23 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: might be better to call it index or indexes
18:44:00 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: we are going to rethink Home and About.
18:44:38 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I believe we should focus on other items since focus is not content for this stage.
18:46:29 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: the homepage would be abstract, introduction, mobile...
18:46:50 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: I like John's idea about no homepage
18:47:10 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: abstract and introduction on homepage would be placeholders.
18:50:17 <Rich_Noah> jongund: I think landmark regions should be at the top level
18:51:07 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: once we start adding content we have an ongoing debate on scaling.
18:52:10 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: are you suggesting to have it as a drop down or its own main navigation
18:52:36 <Rich_Noah> jongund: on the main navigation.  widgets and landmark regions are different things.
18:53:53 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: it feels like the top level navigation should not prioritize a specific part of a specific standard.
18:56:53 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: I have a suggestion.  Add Landmark Region under patterns and widgets and change label to Patterns.  Keep the landmark regions in both sections.
18:57:16 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: I feel we need to write new content to address Jon's concerns.
18:58:00 <Rich_Noah> isaacdurazo_: I have been collecting feedback but structural changes will not be incorporated prior to usability testing.
18:58:55 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: let us talk about that.  I  don't feel we should hold on the changes for the usability study.  we can push them back.
18:59:47 <Rich_Noah> Matt_King: Isaac can you add the items to Issue 1 and then we can prioritize the items.
19:00:24 <Rich_Noah> jongund: can I get an update on the PR?
19:00:54 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: can I give you an update in 1 to 2 weeks.
19:01:14 <Rich_Noah> Jemma: Isaac this design is very visually appealing.
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